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Title: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Monorail Cat on July 22, 2014, 02:26:22 PM
The following is from the internet.  I've hated how the media networks are reporting on the "atrocities" of the Israelis while leaving the other side out of the news.  Here's the short reading:

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United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki Moon released a statement that read, in part, "Too many Palestinian civilians have been killed, and any Israeli ground offensive will undoubtedly increase the death toll and exacerbate civilian suffering in the Gaza Strip."

So it's all Israel's fault. The fact that the Palestinians have fired nearly 1,000 rockets at Israel in recent days seems to get lost in the shuffle.

As Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu explained yesterday on Fox News Sunday:

"I just want your viewers to imagine the United States being bombarded not in one city or two cities, but in every city between New York and Colorado, 80 percent of your citizens would have to be in bomb shelters or ready to go into bomb shelters within a minute to minute-and-a-half, max. No country can accept that, we can't accept it, and we'll take the necessary actions to stop it."

Netanyahu succinctly summed up the current situation when he said, "The difference between us, we are using missile defense to protect our civilians, and they're using their civilians to protect their missiles."

To amplify the double standard that routinely confronts Israel, an anti-Israel mob attempted to storm a Paris synagogue this weekend. At least three Jews defending the synagogue ended up in the hospital, and this attack barely made the news.

Just imagine if a mob of Jews attacked a mosque. That story would make the front pages. It's now routine for Muslims to attack churches on Sunday mornings, and every time there is a collective yawn from the media. But if a mob of Christians attacked a mosque, there would emergency U.N. meetings, demands for sensitivity training and hearings to learn how a faith could so radicalize its followers.

Ok, fine.  I'll be real.  Hamas didn't start the conflict.  He did nothing wrong.

 :gtfo:
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on July 22, 2014, 02:50:54 PM
The following is from the internet.  I've hated how the media networks are reporting on the "atrocities" of the Israelis while leaving the other side out of the news.  Here's the short reading:

Ok, fine.  I'll be real.  Hamas didn't start the conflict.  He did nothing wrong.

 :gtfo:
Le happy merchant has a blast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0Xx-oQKsU#)
GOOD GOY
 
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Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Nemisous on July 22, 2014, 03:03:32 PM
I'm not saying Hamas is right in their actions, but Israel should have used more foresight into their invasion of Gaza and learned from previous wars in the region. its one big re-run of an old show. the only twist is Israel has its new Iron Dome which pretty much cuts Israeli civilian casualties by 98%. But 600+ casualties, and the most conservative estimates put it at 80% civilian deaths is just to high a price to pay.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Cake Faice on July 22, 2014, 03:16:12 PM
Imo, the jews need to be on their own for this one. Technically they did steal Palestine and make us fight their wars and send financial aid that we can't afford to lose. US needs to pull out and focus on our own problems and let the jews roll around in their own graves from their dumb actions.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on July 23, 2014, 12:02:07 AM
Watch this video on youtube, the suggestion section is full of videos like this.
Learning to Hate: Israel's Colonial Settler Children (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qVixbW_dTw#)

Tell me again how Hamas are evil terrorists for daring to stand up for Palestinians.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Frank on July 23, 2014, 05:00:24 PM
No no no no no. Jews nothing.

Israel, as a state, is disgusting.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Astropilot on July 24, 2014, 09:57:19 AM
There really has to be a "Kids, if you can't decide who's land is who's I'm going to have to take it away from both of you" sort of solution.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Nemisous on July 24, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
There really has to be a "Kids, if you can't decide who's land is who's I'm going to have to take it away from both of you" sort of solution.

Or you could have a Chernobyl style nuclear meltdown in one of Israel's several nuclear reactors that they use to enrich weapons grade uranium.  Doing so would make the Israeli state uninhabitable for the next couple of hundred of years, and would render Israel's nuclear weapons unreachable. Killing two birds with one stone...............but this is of course hypothetical.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on July 25, 2014, 07:57:51 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html)
It is truly impressive to see a news website such as jewyork times report on this and so far everything points that this article is 100% valid.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Nemisous on July 29, 2014, 04:00:35 PM
The west is a bunch of hypocrites, If it was Russia doing the same thing, the US, and NATO would probably start preparing ground troops for a possible ground war in Ukraine.  When Israel does it, "Israel has the right to defend itself". Its straight bullshit because one side like Russia is getting hung out to dry for supplying weapons, where as Israel isnt even getting a slap on the wrist for killing 1000+ people 88% civilian.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Tezuni on July 29, 2014, 09:14:57 PM
The west is a bunch of hypocrites, If it was Russia doing the same thing, the US, and NATO would probably start preparing ground troops for a possible ground war in Ukraine.  When Israel does it, "Israel has the right to defend itself". Its straight bullshit because one side like Russia is getting hung out to dry for supplying weapons, where as Israel isnt even getting a slap on the wrist for killing 1000+ people 88% civilian.
Russia is doing the same thing with mercenaries and private military organizations (PMCs) in Ukraine right now, and has been since January when they took Crimea.  This absolves them of official responsibility since they can deny invading with military troops.  The hired guns are "separatists", many with russia citizenship, and no Ukrainian citizenship.  So, Russia is doing the same thing, just by proxy.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on July 30, 2014, 12:19:14 AM
Russia is doing the same thing with mercenaries and private military organizations (PMCs) in Ukraine right now, and has been since January when they took Crimea.  This absolves them of official responsibility since they can deny invading with military troops.  The hired guns are "separatists", many with russia citizenship, and no Ukrainian citizenship.  So, Russia is doing the same thing, just by proxy.
The only difference is is that the separatists attack Ukrainian military instead of civilians and this so called occupation wasn't going on for 50+ years.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Nemisous on July 30, 2014, 05:32:36 PM
Russia is doing the same thing with mercenaries and private military organizations (PMCs) in Ukraine right now, and has been since January when they took Crimea.  This absolves them of official responsibility since they can deny invading with military troops.  The hired guns are "separatists", many with russia citizenship, and no Ukrainian citizenship.  So, Russia is doing the same thing, just by proxy.

Yeah but Russian jets aren't bombing civilian targets. When Russia invaded Chimera they did so without firing a single shot, and not a single person died.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Tezuni on July 30, 2014, 06:59:31 PM
The only difference is is that the separatists attack Ukrainian military instead of civilians and this so called occupation wasn't going on for 50+ years.
Well there's always civilian casualties in conflicts.  Considering Hamas was elected by the Palestinians, the fact that Hamas hides among civilians, the refusal of and breaking of cease fires by Hamas, the size of Gaza, and the warnings Israel gives before striking, it's hard to blame Israel for the heavy civilian casualties we're seeing in the the region.  These are relevant factors to consider when making a comparison between this conflict and the one between Russia and Ukraine. 
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on July 31, 2014, 01:08:14 AM
Well there's always civilian casualties in conflicts.  Considering Hamas was elected by the Palestinians, the fact that Hamas hides among civilians, the refusal of and breaking of cease fires by Hamas, the size of Gaza, and the warnings Israel gives before striking, it's hard to blame Israel for the heavy civilian casualties we're seeing in the the region.
Literally the same propaganda that Israel has been using over and over again to justify their "defensive" war. And do you know why Hamas was elected by the Palestinians? Because they're the only ones who are willing and can stand up to the Zionist occupation and don't even tell me that they're terrorists, they're not. The only reason they are considered terrorists in the western countries is because of Israel lobbying. I mean, think about it, all Hamas does is attack Israel in retaliation to it's illegal invasion.
   Then you say that Israel is giving warning before bombing houses right? Well, why in the hell are they doing this in the first place, why are they destroying houses, schools, power plants and even hospitals? Oh I'm sure it's because those big bad terrorists Hamas are in there hiding which is why the majority of casualties are civilian, right? Tell me how can someone with an open mind believe the bullshit the jews are spewing out. Israel was wrong from the very beginning of this conflict and they always will be, they started it, they illegally occupied the land, they used chemical weapons such as white phosphorus on civilians, it's a fact, I've said things like this many times ago in similar threads and I am saying this again.
   It isn't Russia who should be getting sanctions by the west, it isn't Iran either, the only country which truly deserves the harshest sanctions is Israel until they stop the illegal invasion and accept to live with the Palestinians in peace and share the land with them.

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Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Nemisous on July 31, 2014, 05:07:56 PM
Well there's always civilian casualties in conflicts.  Considering Hamas was elected by the Palestinians, the fact that Hamas hides among civilians, the refusal of and breaking of cease fires by Hamas, the size of Gaza, and the warnings Israel gives before striking, it's hard to blame Israel for the heavy civilian casualties we're seeing in the the region.  These are relevant factors to consider when making a comparison between this conflict and the one between Russia and Ukraine.

Okay let me break it down Nemi style.

1. Of course Hamas is going to hide among civilians, but does that make it okay for Israel to attack civilian areas? how far can Israel use the "Hamas made me do it' line.

2. Hamas only refused the cease-fires on the account that Hamas was never notified nor where they apart of the negotiations.

3. Also while it is good they at least give some sort of warning, but honestly a lot of people have a hard time evacuating due to the short time they are given and the flood of other people trying to get out, and even if they do escape where do they go? the UN shelters aren't safe and they cant leave the strip. Israel and Egypt wont let them.

judging by how the world reacted to Russia's annexing of Crimea, the world would be up in arms if Russia did something like this.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Tezuni on July 31, 2014, 06:37:39 PM
Guys I think you misunderstand my point.  I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together.  And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so.  I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population.  It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: saivon on July 31, 2014, 11:46:10 PM
Guys I think you misunderstand my point.  I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together.  And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so.  I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population.  It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.
I disagree with you. So now you are saying that you are justifying hamas killings innocents in this crosfire very hypocritical.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on July 31, 2014, 11:55:43 PM
Guys I think you misunderstand my point.  I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together.  And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so.  I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population.  It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.
So you're saying that it is Hamas to blame for the Palestinian casualties?
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Nemisous on August 01, 2014, 05:36:26 AM
Guys I think you misunderstand my point.  I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together.  And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so.  I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population.  It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.

so your just buying into the whole "Hamas made me do it " gig eh? as a major power and leader in the world Israel has an obligation to look out for the lives of not only its own citizens but the citizens of others. because israel wouldn't bomb building in Israel firing rockets they would send special forces. its just amazing that Israel and the west do nothing but repeat the same scripted argument about how Israel lives in terror. if you want to know terror then go to Gaza. "that" is state terrorism.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on August 01, 2014, 06:11:06 AM
Just so you guys know, there has been quite a large amount of politicians and rabbis in Israel who openly supported ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. They did not get any punishment nor criticism from Israel or the western world, in fact they were never even mentioned in the west. Israel does not want peace. Israel has one and only one intention which is to create one jewish state that is why every peace talks between Israel and Palestinian governments failed and will fail. Nothing is going to chance as long as the west won't be putting harsh sanctions on Israel and knowing how much influence do the jews have in the west it is unlikely to happen without any major change within the west itself. Until then, Israel will continue to act as if it is above the international law.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Tiger Guy on August 01, 2014, 06:36:05 AM
Just so you guys know, there has been quite a large amount of politicians and rabbis in Israel who openly supported ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. They did not get any punishment nor criticism from Israel or the western world, in fact they were never even mentioned in the west. Israel does not want peace. Israel has one and only one intention which is to create one jewish state that is why every peace talks between Israel and Palestinian governments failed and will fail. Nothing is going to chance as long as the west won't be putting harsh sanctions on Israel and knowing how much influence do the jews have in the west it is unlikely to happen without any major change within the west itself. Until then, Israel will continue to act as if it is above the international law.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies)

I read this earlier and was reminded of it when I read your post.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on August 01, 2014, 09:11:37 AM
http://rt.com/usa/177404-senate-support-iron-dome-israel/ (http://rt.com/usa/177404-senate-support-iron-dome-israel/)
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/214057-senate-passes-iron-dome-funding (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/214057-senate-passes-iron-dome-funding)
Hehehe good goyim, sends us your shekels :^)
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Tezuni on August 01, 2014, 05:54:33 PM
I disagree with you. So now you are saying that you are justifying hamas killings innocents in this crosfire very hypocritical.
No, I said I am not justifying it. 

So you're saying that it is Hamas to blame for the Palestinian casualties?
No, I am not blaming anyone (i said that, didn't i?).  I said palestinians will die as long as Israel fights Hamas, while the latter uses the strategy of hiding among civilians.  It's not blame, it's just the reality of the situation.

so your just buying into the whole "Hamas made me do it " gig eh? as a major power and leader in the world Israel has an obligation to look out for the lives of not only its own citizens but the citizens of others. because israel wouldn't bomb building in Israel firing rockets they would send special forces. its just amazing that Israel and the west do nothing but repeat the same scripted argument about how Israel lives in terror. if you want to know terror then go to Gaza. "that" is state terrorism.
No, i'm not buying into that at all.  I don't know how to stress this any more, but I'm not blaming anyone.  I'm stating the situation as it is, and the cause and effects we're seeing from their strategies.



And to all three of you guys, I'm not repeating any arguments in any favor for one side or the other.  And i'm not being 'hypocritical'.  Next time I think people should try and read thoroughly before going into attack-mode over a neutral analysis of the situation.  I have no investment in this personally, so saying i'm  regurgitating western rhetoric or blaming the Palestinians is just stupid.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: saivon on August 01, 2014, 06:50:22 PM
No, I said I am not justifying it. 
No, I am not blaming anyone (i said that, didn't i?).  I said palestinians will die as long as Israel fights Hamas, while the latter uses the strategy of hiding among civilians.  It's not blame, it's just the reality of the situation.
No, i'm not buying into that at all.  I don't know how to stress this any more, but I'm not blaming anyone.  I'm stating the situation as it is, and the cause and effects we're seeing from their strategies.



And to all three of you guys, I'm not repeating any arguments in any favor for one side or the other.  And i'm not being 'hypocritical'.  Next time I think people should try and read thoroughly before going into attack-mode over a neutral analysis of the situation.  I have no investment in this personally, so saying i'm  regurgitating western rhetoric or blaming the Palestinians is just stupid.
I think we unleashed his mangeyko sharigan he's mad now guys
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Tezuni on August 01, 2014, 07:47:18 PM
I think we unleashed his mangeyko sharigan he's mad now guys
No, I was clarifying.  Not mad at all tbh. 
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 12:16:31 AM
Just so you guys know, there has been quite a large amount of politicians and rabbis in Israel who openly supported ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. They did not get any punishment nor criticism from Israel or the western world, in fact they were never even mentioned in the west. Israel does not want peace. Israel has one and only one intention which is to create one jewish state that is why every peace talks between Israel and Palestinian governments failed and will fail. Nothing is going to chance as long as the west won't be putting harsh sanctions on Israel and knowing how much influence do the jews have in the west it is unlikely to happen without any major change within the west itself. Until then, Israel will continue to act as if it is above the international law.

And just so you know, there are also politicians in Israel who openly support "Shahids" (basically, terrorists) and speak against the existence of Israel. They didn't get any punishment either.

If they didn't want peace, I don't think they would've supplied the Gaza strip with resources (electricity, fuel, food, concrete, etc).
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on August 05, 2014, 12:33:52 AM
And just so you know, there are also politicians in Israel who openly support "Shahids" (basically, terrorists) and speak against the existence of Israel. They didn't get any punishment either.

If they didn't want peace, I don't think they would've supplied the Gaza strip with resources (electricity, fuel, food, concrete, etc).
Lol, is that why IDF is bombing everything in there even the UN schools? Is that why Israel continues to occupy more and more land every year?
   Your government is full of shit. Every time I hear Israeli officials or Nuttyahoo speak on pretty much anything it's always blatant lies that do not meet reality in any way and I always wonder how can people in Israel actually believe that shit they're saying? Do you believe what they're saying?
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Monorail Cat on August 05, 2014, 04:03:30 AM
Prox, think for a second:  if Hamas lays down his weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what would happen?  Now, if Israel lays down its weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what do you think would happen?  Judging from past circumstances, I would assume that Israel would be wiped out if they stop fighting, but there would be a much better chance at peace if Hamas stopped.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 04:45:08 AM
Lol, is that why IDF is bombing everything in there even the UN schools? Is that why Israel continues to occupy more and more land every year?
   Your government is full of shit. Every time I hear Israeli officials or Nuttyahoo speak on pretty much anything it's always blatant lies that do not meet reality in any way and I always wonder how can people in Israel actually believe that shit they're saying? Do you believe what they're saying?

"Everything", they are bombing every place where missiles are shot from / any place with important people from the Hamas and sadly there are a lot of those. If they really wanted to bomb everything, why would they bring in the soldiers? They would've just used heavier bombs instead of the small bombs they used to minimize collateral damage. Bringing in the soldiers is a bad thing for Israel.
Missiles were shot from a UN school, so they shot back. Are you saying they should've waited until someone would've been killed by those missiles, chatted a bit with the UN about the problem and maybe waited a bit more while they "solve" the problem?
By occupying more land do you mean the people who settle beyong the green line? If so then those settlers are removed from their homes by the army. As much as possible.

I'm not sure about what or who do you mean by "they", but just so you know that, as opposed to what people may think, the media in Israel is mostly neutral or pro-palestinian. No brainwashing pro-Israeli propaganda. They either show the truth or they show mainly the other side's casaulties (which Israel also ends up taking care of. While getting shot at by Hamas ofcourse).
People in Israel usually say things from actually being a soldier or having relatives in the army.

I think you should instead ask "Why does Hamas keep fighting, even though they know it's futile?"  It's quite easy to answer - More victims, more pictures they can show, more support for them and more hate at Israel and Jews.


I also find it interesting how so many people protest against Israel when much more horrible things are currently happening around the world. I don't remember seeing such a reaction to the civil war in Syria for example.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on August 05, 2014, 06:41:39 AM
"Everything", they are bombing every place where missiles are shot from / any place with important people from the Hamas and sadly there are a lot of those. If they really wanted to bomb everything, why would they bring in the soldiers? They would've just used heavier bombs instead of the small bombs they used to minimize collateral damage. Bringing in the soldiers is a bad thing for Israel.
Missiles were shot from a UN school, so they shot back. Are you saying they should've waited until someone would've been killed by those missiles, chatted a bit with the UN about the problem and maybe waited a bit more while they "solve" the problem?
Yes, its always the Hamas fault, it is always someone shooting missiles and poor little Israel is just defending it self by killing tons of civilians. Nice meme, bro.
Btw would like to see proof of Hamas firing missiles from the UN school.


By occupying more land do you mean the people who settle beyong the green line? If so then those settlers are removed from their homes by the army. As much as possible.
(http://i.stack.imgur.com/0xM5P.jpg)
Btw, there has been gas and oil found in Gaza's territory too.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680)
It's a win-win for the jews.

I'm not sure about what or who do you mean by "they", but just so you know that, as opposed to what people may think, the media in Israel is mostly neutral or pro-palestinian. No brainwashing pro-Israeli propaganda. They either show the truth or they show mainly the other side's casaulties (which Israel also ends up taking care of. While getting shot at by Hamas ofcourse).
People in Israel usually say things from actually being a soldier or having relatives in the army.
AYYYY LMAO

I think you should instead ask "Why does Hamas keep fighting, even though they know it's futile?"  It's quite easy to answer - More victims, more pictures they can show, more support for them and more hate at Israel and Jews.
They keep fighting because of the ongoing Palestinian land occupation and their people slaughter ever since your country's creation.
You know why people hate jews? Because of the exact same reason that you're showing. Always pretending to be the victim, never taking their responsibility for their own actions, it's always some else's fault, whatever bad happens it's never the jews fault and I'm not even going to start mentioning what kind of enormous influence your people have on the western media so I find it absolutely hilarious how you somehow think that the media has some kind of anti-Israel bias. That just sounds ridiculous.

I also find it interesting how so many people protest against Israel when much more horrible things are currently happening around the world. I don't remember seeing such a reaction to the civil war in Syria for example.
Except for the fact that west(along with Israel in fact) did their best to spin the blame on Assad for the use of chemical weapons and other stupid things but their plan failed because there was no proof to support that, in fact there was proof showing that it was the rebels who used the Sarin gas.
And now, take a look how much shit Russia is getting for everything, for Crimea, for that plane that USA somehow instantly knew that it was the Russians who did it and blamed Putin for it like always meanwhile if you compare the Ukrainian crisis to Israel's ongoing occupation and slaughter of Palestinians it all falls short in comparison.


Prox, think for a second:  if Hamas lays down his weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what would happen?
Israel would continue it's occupation of Palestinian land until it is all finally annexed with little to no resistance from the Palestinian people.
Now, if Israel lays down its weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what do you think would happen?  Judging from past circumstances, I would assume that Israel would be wiped out if they stop fighting, but there would be a much better chance at peace if Hamas stopped.
 
You are right. There would be peace after a complete annexation of Palestine with most of it's civilians killed or kicked out of their land.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 08:38:08 AM
Yes, its always the Hamas fault, it is always someone shooting missiles and poor little Israel is just defending it self by killing tons of civilians. Nice meme, bro.
Btw would like to see proof of Hamas firing missiles from the UN school.

So in your opinion Israel should have just let them keep shooting? I doubt there's a country that hasn't retaliated after being shot at. It might sound overused, but it's the truth. Why else would they attack a school with kids fully aware that it'll later appear all over the news as a bad thing against Israel? In addition to that, since I have friends and relatives in the army, I can tell you with 100% confidence that they always try their best to avoid casaulties / reduce them to a minimum and won't do something unless it's necessary. Maybe you don't believe me, but it's the truth. I've heard a lot of stories from soldiers about how those "resistance organizations" use Palestinian civilians (mainly old people and children) to guard weapons so the soldiers won't suspect anything.

http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/ (http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/)

If you want a video, I don't know if there is one.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/0xM5P.jpg (http://i.stack.imgur.com/0xM5P.jpg)
Btw, there has been gas and oil found in Gaza's territory too.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680)
It's a win-win for the jews.

Palestinian loss of land as a result of wars initiated by the arab countries around Israel and as a result of rejecting the partition plan. Nearly every currently exisiting country has won it's area by wars, many of them also slaughtered the natives beforehand, would you like to go back to each group of people that got land won / stolen from their ancestors and give it back to them? The "Palestinians" were mostly refugees from other countries themselves. They have Jordan which a big chunk of its population is Palestinians, in addition to the other arab countries surrounding Israel to go to. For Jews on the other hand it's a "little bit" of a problem.

AYYYY LMAO

Come over here and watch the news then.

They keep fighting because of the ongoing Palestinian land occupation and their people slaughter ever since your country's creation.
You know why people hate jews? Because of the exact same reason that you're showing. Always pretending to be the victim, never taking their responsibility for their own actions, it's always some else's fault, whatever bad happens it's never the jews fault and I'm not even going to start mentioning what kind of enormous influence your people have on the western media so I find it absolutely hilarious how you somehow think that the media has some kind of anti-Israel bias. That just sounds ridiculous.
Except for the fact that west(along with Israel in fact) did their best to spin the blame on Assad for the use of chemical weapons and other stupid things but their plan failed because there was no proof to support that, in fact there was proof showing that it was the rebels who used the Sarin gas.
And now, take a look how much shit Russia is getting for everything, for Crimea, for that plane that USA somehow instantly knew that it was the Russians who did it and blamed Putin for it like always meanwhile if you compare the Ukrainian crisis to Israel's ongoing occupation and slaughter of Palestinians it all falls short in comparison.

Innocent Palestinians are being killed because Hamas is attacking. Not just that, they favour doing it from populated buildings, schools, hospitals and surrounded by civilians that would keep the IDF from attacking them. So unfortunately citizens are killed, but it is inevitable, it's a war after all. You're speaking as if the IDF attacks Gaza all days of the year and suddenly Hamas decides it had enough, which leads to them attacking Israel.
You might be forgetting Hamas is the same organization that tied "suspected traitors" to bikes and dragged them around town.

I'm not playing victim. This is the truth. The truth is that also the civilians at Gaza are victims and they suffer a lot more, obviously. The kids that are sent to "schools" are brainwashed to hate Jews and think of suiciding bombing on Jews is a good thing. Yes it's real. Here have a look of a few examples:
Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ#ws)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWCBcjPDMU#t=15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWCBcjPDMU#t=15)


By the way, I was talking about the media in Israel, not in the world. All I know about the news around the world is that certain channels have a bias for us and certain ones, mainly in Europe, have a bias against us.

Israel would continue it's occupation of Palestinian land until it is all finally annexed with little to no resistance from the Palestinian people. 
You are right. There would be peace after a complete annexation of Palestine with most of it's civilians killed or kicked out of their land.

If Palestinians would be killed for no reason, you can be sure most of the country's citizens would rise against it and soldiers will disobey orders.
There are also a lot of Israelis in-favour of a two state solution. Shooting missiles at Israel will definately not help bring more citizens to support it.


And I'm interested to know, do you hate Jews or are you just against the state of Israel?
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on August 05, 2014, 10:49:57 AM
So in your opinion Israel should have just let them keep shooting? I doubt there's a country that hasn't retaliated after being shot at. It might sound overused, but it's the truth. Why else would they attack a school with kids fully aware that it'll later appear all over the news as a bad thing against Israel? In addition to that, since I have friends and relatives in the army, I can tell you with 100% confidence that they always try their best to avoid casaulties / reduce them to a minimum and won't do something unless it's necessary. Maybe you don't believe me, but it's the truth. I've heard a lot of stories from soldiers about how those "resistance organizations" use Palestinian civilians (mainly old people and children) to guard weapons so the soldiers won't suspect anything.


If you want a video, I don't know if there is one.

Palestinian loss of land as a result of wars initiated by the arab countries around Israel and as a result of rejecting the partition plan. Nearly every currently exisiting country has won it's area by wars, many of them also slaughtered the natives beforehand, would you like to go back to each group of people that got land won / stolen from their ancestors and give it back to them? The "Palestinians" were mostly refugees from other countries themselves. They have Jordan which a big chunk of its population is Palestinians, in addition to the other arab countries surrounding Israel to go to. For Jews on the other hand it's a "little bit" of a problem.

Come over here and watch the news then.

Innocent Palestinians are being killed because Hamas is attacking. Not just that, they favour doing it from populated buildings, schools, hospitals and surrounded by civilians that would keep the IDF from attacking them. So unfortunately citizens are killed, but it is inevitable, it's a war after all. You're speaking as if the IDF attacks Gaza all days of the year and suddenly Hamas decides it had enough, which leads to them attacking Israel.
You might be forgetting Hamas is the same organization that tied "suspected traitors" to bikes and dragged them around town.

I'm not playing victim. This is the truth. The truth is that also the civilians at Gaza are victims and they suffer a lot more, obviously. The kids that are sent to "schools" are brainwashed to hate Jews and think of suiciding bombing on Jews is a good thing. Yes it's real. Here have a look of a few examples:


By the way, I was talking about the media in Israel, not in the world. All I know about the news around the world is that certain channels have a bias for us and certain ones, mainly in Europe, have a bias against us.

If Palestinians would be killed for no reason, you can be sure most of the country's citizens would rise against it and soldiers will disobey orders.
There are also a lot of Israelis in-favour of a two state solution. Shooting missiles at Israel will definately not help bring more citizens to support it.
>b-b-but Hamas made us do it
You're just pretending to be retarded, right?


>>http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/ (http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/)
Never heard of this site before but from the little research I made it seems like this is an Israel made site. If not then I'd be interested to know which country made this.
The article itself doesn't have any videos or pictures attached but stuff thats written there sounds somewhat logical however it's just an article on one site that most people never heard of as well as it is likely it's an Israeli made one. That being said I'm sure Hamas has to hide their weaponry somewhere and I doubt that they hide their rocket in areas where Palestinians live because they want to bait Israel to kill civilians, they could be doing stuff like this because they don't fucking have a choice since everything is getting destroyed in Palestine thanks to Israel.

Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ#ws)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWCBcjPDMU#t=15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWCBcjPDMU#t=15)
Now, I don't speak Arabic but I'm pretty certain that those translations should be accurate. It is no surprise that the Palestinians utterly despise Israel, a nation which started occupying their land ever since it was created( don't even say shit that your country got that land because of Palestinians starting wars, Palestinians had every reason to do so after being occupied and slaughtered by the Israel invasion, of course they were attacking Israel because ISRAEL STARTED THIS WHOLE THING DO YOU GET IT NOW?). While we're here, the Israelis aren't any better.

Learning to Hate: Israel's Colonial Settler Children (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qVixbW_dTw#)
This video + the related video section proves it.

And I'm interested to know, do you hate Jews or are you just against the state of Israel?
I'm against the state of Israel and the Zionists whether they be jews or not.

Now, knowing that Israel has used white phosphorus on civilian population before multiple times, killing Palestinians ever since Israel was created, abusing influence in the western world to get what they want, torturing Palestinian children, making Gaza and Palestine an open air prison, violating Palestinian human rights over and over again, violating international laws over and over again, have attacked ships that were trying to supply Palestinians with humanitarian aid in international waters, have tried multiple times to lure USA into war with some country in the middle east by doing some sort of a false flag event(for example, the USS Liberty attacked by Israeli forces on purpose trying to blame it on Egypt?(can't remember for sure which nation)), have sent spies to steal nuclear technology from USA and probably a few other things I have forgot. How do you think this stacks up against what Hamas could have possibly done bad while fighting for the Palestinians? I think it's obvious and there's no way anyone with an open mind can deny this.

Here's some videos that are sourced with articles from all sorts of articles if you're wondering where I'm pulling all of this out. Just so you know, I've seen articles about shit I've mentioned many times coming from different sites, and I keep seeing shit similar to it over and over again, whether it would be RussiaToday, huffingtonpost, telegraph, even such pro-Israel channels like CNN make an occasional article about it and I'm not even going to mention youtube, I see this shit coming from everywhere and from all sides except for one and that of course is Israel.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

There's obviously more of those kind of videos/articles but I doubt you're interested in seeing more of it.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 01:03:32 PM
>b-b-but Hamas made us do it
You're just pretending to be retarded, right?


>>http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/ (http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/)
Never heard of this site before but from the little research I made it seems like this is an Israel made site. If not then I'd be interested to know which country made this.
The article itself doesn't have any videos or pictures attached but stuff thats written there sounds somewhat logical however it's just an article on one site that most people never heard of as well as it is likely it's an Israeli made one. That being said I'm sure Hamas has to hide their weaponry somewhere and I doubt that they hide their rocket in areas where Palestinians live because they want to bait Israel to kill civilians, they could be doing stuff like this because they don't fucking have a choice since everything is getting destroyed in Palestine thanks to Israel.

I haven't used the site before so I don't know myself, but you might be able to find this on other sites since I've seen it at some other site before.

Do you seriously still believe Hamas isn't using Palestinian civilian as human shields?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=816787158344156&set=vb.125249070831305&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=816787158344156&set=vb.125249070831305&type=2&theater)

Now I know this is by the IDF, but those are true nontheless. If you want I can find more of these also from other sources. It's a FACT Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, as much as you don't want to believe it.

By the way, "the don't have a choice" so that makes it ok to store weapons at schools? But it's not ok to shoot back?

Also, are you aware of the tunnel system they've dug in-order to infiltrate cities in Israel, where they also store weaponary and ammunition? They could've used these tunnels to hide civilians from bombardments. Also, all of that concrete they used for those tunnels is most likely the same one Israel has supplied them to re-build facilities. It can't be proven though.

Now, I don't speak Arabic but I'm pretty certain that those translations should be accurate. It is no surprise that the Palestinians utterly despise Israel, a nation which started occupying their land ever since it was created( don't even say shit that your country got that land because of Palestinians starting wars, Palestinians had every reason to do so after being occupied and slaughtered by the Israel invasion, of course they were attacking Israel because ISRAEL STARTED THIS WHOLE THING DO YOU GET IT NOW?). While we're here, the Israelis aren't any better.

Learning to Hate: Israel's Colonial Settler Children (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qVixbW_dTw#)
This video + the related video section proves it.

Teaching little kids to hate a certain group like that is horrible, no matter if it's Palestinians or Israelis. Israeli settlers aren't looked at nicely by many Israelis, especially those extremists types. But teaching them that suicide bombing is a good thing? That's on a whole new level. Doesn't matter how much you hate a certain group, teaching kids that suicide bombing is good just tells you what are they capable of (human shields perhaps?). I wouldn't be surprised if some of those children are encouraged to bomb themselves so they'll have more pictures to show. As bad as that may sound. Though there are no proofs for that as much as I know.

And have you heard about the Arab revolt at 1936? It was in response to the British, but they also called for a ban against the immigration of more Jews, who came because of the situation in Europe. In addition to the Jews that were already living there (yes, some Jews did stay in Israel all of those years before, mainly at Jerusalem). Even before that, at 1920, arabs assaulted Jews and "defended their holy places from Jews". Even arab villages were attacked by other arabs if they were sympathetic to Jews. The "leadership" of the Jews wanted to avoid violence as much as possible, they were the "Haganah". "Lehi" and "Etzel" were the groups founded later on and those were the aggressive groups that thought not doing anything would eventually lead to more dead Jews and further discrimination by the British. I don't know if they were right or wrong, but they were they main reason the state of Israel was created.

From that you can understand the Palestinians were the ones who attacked first. And back then the Jews were minority like the Palestinians are now.

What you know about happened AFTER the arab revolt (the Jews attacking arabs, etc)

I'm against the state of Israel and the Zionists whether they be jews or not.

Now, knowing that Israel has used white phosphorus on civilian population before multiple times, killing Palestinians ever since Israel was created, abusing influence in the western world to get what they want, torturing Palestinian children, making Gaza and Palestine an open air prison, violating Palestinian human rights over and over again, violating international laws over and over again, have attacked ships that were trying to supply Palestinians with humanitarian aid in international waters, have tried multiple times to lure USA into war with some country in the middle east by doing some sort of a false flag event(for example, the USS Liberty attacked by Israeli forces on purpose trying to blame it on Egypt?(can't remember for sure which nation)), have sent spies to steal nuclear technology from USA and probably a few other things I have forgot. How do you think this stacks up against what Hamas could have possibly done bad while fighting for the Palestinians? I think it's obvious and there's no way anyone with an open mind can deny this.

Here's some videos that are sourced with articles from all sorts of articles if you're wondering where I'm pulling all of this out. Just so you know, I've seen articles about shit I've mentioned many times coming from different sites, and I keep seeing shit similar to it over and over again, whether it would be RussiaToday, huffingtonpost, telegraph, even such pro-Israel channels like CNN make an occasional article about it and I'm not even going to mention youtube, I see this shit coming from everywhere and from all sides except for one and that of course is Israel.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

There's obviously more of those kind of videos/articles but I doubt you're interested in seeing more of it.

I've heard about those before, but never really searched into it too much because it seemed like more anti-Israel stuff. I'll look into those some more.

Before I check the links you've posted, did you know that since the war has begun, each cease-fire attempt has been broken within a few minutes to a few hours by the Hamas? Even humanitarian aid cease-fires. They usually prepare a large amount of missiles to shoot nearly each cease-fire and then break it by launching dozens of missiles towards a large area of Israel. I know because I can hear the missiles exploding and the sirens ofcourse (plus from friends in more southern cities).

All of those rabbis shown in the videos and the prejudice against Christians are all from religious extremists which some of them also spit at Jewish girls who wear short sleeved T-shirts. Many of those types are against the current state of Israel and would like a completely religious Jewish state with all non-believers out of Israel. They aren't the majority of Israeli citizens and they are disliked by many.

About the African migrants, I know all about it and I'm aware it's a serious problem in Israel. On one hand there are a lot of citizens who want to help them, but there were many cases of rape and brutal murder by those migrants so the majority of the populace wants to kick them out of the country. Many use the arguement that they are Muslims so they should go to Egypt or Jordan, but Israel is the only country in the area that somewhat accepts them. It's difficult to solve this and I think Israel needs help from outside with this one.

About the Ethiopians. Like in nearly every country, there's also racism in Israel. There's also some racism between Ashkenazi Jews and Separdic Jews and Russian Jews. It's not a new thing and it has always been a problem, although it's more of a problem in the closed religious societies.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Nemisous on August 05, 2014, 01:59:08 PM
Prox, think for a second:  if Hamas lays down his weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what would happen?  Now, if Israel lays down its weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what do you think would happen?  Judging from past circumstances, I would assume that Israel would be wiped out if they stop fighting, but there would be a much better chance at peace if Hamas stopped.

You say whipped out as if they are going to murder every last Jew in Israel like Israeli propaganda machine spites out. honestly assuming Hamas invaded Israel, the only  thing that would change is regime change and Israel would cease to be a Jewish state. but if Hamas was to say just vanish from the equation then what is stopping Israel from taking more land from the Palestinians. Israel doesn't want peace nor do they want a two state solution and for israel to stop with the occupaton which is the only peaceful resolution to the situation.
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on August 05, 2014, 02:22:03 PM
I haven't used the site before so I don't know myself, but you might be able to find this on other sites since I've seen it at some other site before.

Do you seriously still believe Hamas isn't using Palestinian civilian as human shields?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=816787158344156&set=vb.125249070831305&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=816787158344156&set=vb.125249070831305&type=2&theater)

Now I know this is by the IDF, but those are true nontheless. If you want I can find more of these also from other sources. It's a FACT Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, as much as you don't want to believe it.

By the way, "the don't have a choice" so that makes it ok to store weapons at schools? But it's not ok to shoot back?

Also, are you aware of the tunnel system they've dug in-order to infiltrate cities in Israel, where they also store weaponary and ammunition? They could've used these tunnels to hide civilians from bombardments. Also, all of that concrete they used for those tunnels is most likely the same one Israel has supplied them to re-build facilities. It can't be proven though.
I don't think I said anything about Hamas using Palestinians as human shields, I remember we had this conversation before and I showed you a video where Israelis seemed to be using Palestinians as human shields as well.
Now while it's possible that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields chances are it doesn't happen as much as Israel says they do.

Also I'm not sure if those tunnels would be a good idea to hide the Palestinians since they're probably just that, tunnels. Can you imagine living in a tunnel especially when there's bombings going on? They could be buried alive in there.

Teaching little kids to hate a certain group like that is horrible, no matter if it's Palestinians or Israelis. Israeli settlers aren't looked at nicely by many Israelis, especially those extremists types. But teaching them that suicide bombing is a good thing? That's on a whole new level. Doesn't matter how much you hate a certain group, teaching kids that suicide bombing is good just tells you what are they capable of (human shields perhaps?). I wouldn't be surprised if some of those children are encouraged to bomb themselves so they'll have more pictures to show. As bad as that may sound. Though there are no proofs for that as much as I know.
They talk about bombing being okay for a couple of reasons I believe, one of which is that there's not much else then can do when they feel that they want to defend their homeland and help their people, it's a desperate attempt the other reason is because they're Muslims and they view this whole thing differently then we do. It's obviously a stupid thing to do but I suppose that a feeling of helplessness against the invasion makes them think different. 




And have you heard about the Arab revolt at 1936? It was in response to the British, but they also called for a ban against the immigration of more Jews, who came because of the situation in Europe. In addition to the Jews that were already living there (yes, some Jews did stay in Israel all of those years before, mainly at Jerusalem). Even before that, at 1920, arabs assaulted Jews and "defended their holy places from Jews". Even arab villages were attacked by other arabs if they were sympathetic to Jews. The "leadership" of the Jews wanted to avoid violence as much as possible, they were the "Haganah". "Lehi" and "Etzel" were the groups founded later on and those were the aggressive groups that thought not doing anything would eventually lead to more dead Jews and further discrimination by the British. I don't know if they were right or wrong, but they were they main reason the state of Israel was created.

From that you can understand the Palestinians were the ones who attacked first. And back then the Jews were minority like the Palestinians are now.

What you know about happened AFTER the arab revolt (the Jews attacking arabs, etc)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%9339_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%9339_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine)
Nationalist Arabs made an uprising against British colonial rule to demand Independence and stop massive Jewish immigration. I knew that there were jews living there before this and as far as I know they all lived rather peacefully.
Also this is an interesting article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Palestine)  that supports my argument that jews immigrated into Palestine and literally took over it in what we see today as a state of Israel.
Even your mention of the 1936 Arab revolt supports my claim. Jews began massively immigrating to Palestine where there was a muslim majority and jew minority where jews eventually took over but not without the help from other big countries obviously where jews already had some sort of influence.
Basically, in any way you look, jew's came into that land as legal and illegal immigrants and took over it.

Before I check the links you've posted, did you know that since the war has begun, each cease-fire attempt has been broken within a few minutes to a few hours by the Hamas? Even humanitarian aid cease-fires. They usually prepare a large amount of missiles to shoot nearly each cease-fire and then break it by launching dozens of missiles towards a large area of Israel. I know because I can hear the missiles exploding and the sirens ofcourse (plus from friends in more southern cities).

You can't know that. There were claims by Hamas that Israel was the one who broke the cease-fire while at the same time Israel claimed exactly the same thing about Hamas.

All of those rabbis shown in the videos and the prejudice against Christians are all from religious extremists which some of them also spit at Jewish girls who wear short sleeved T-shirts. Many of those types are against the current state of Israel and would like a completely religious Jewish state with all non-believers out of Israel. They aren't the majority of Israeli citizens and they are disliked by many.
Your leaders doesn't seem to mind them though.

About the African migrants, I know all about it and I'm aware it's a serious problem in Israel. On one hand there are a lot of citizens who want to help them, but there were many cases of rape and brutal murder by those migrants so the majority of the populace wants to kick them out of the country. Many use the arguement that they are Muslims so they should go to Egypt or Jordan, but Israel is the only country in the area that somewhat accepts them. It's difficult to solve this and I think Israel needs help from outside with this one.

I'm against the illegal immigration myself, especially immigration from poor non-white countries from which people immigrate to leech off other countries goods. What I have a problem with is how the jewish groups support immigration to white countries while at the same time they don't mention or oppose it to Israel.

Now let's say that all of what you said about Hamas is 100% true. How does that stack up against what Israel has done to the Palestinians and other countries which I mentioned in my previous post?
I'm sure I could find the links/videos with links supporting every single claim I made there if you'd like.
 
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: saivon on August 05, 2014, 04:08:01 PM
John aren't you from Israel or is that some other rnd member?
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Tezuni on August 05, 2014, 06:42:20 PM
Some interesting developments in this conflict:


What exactly does Israel have on the U.S. that keeps Obama on this Netanyahu's leash and the U.S. sending billions to their country?  Oil?
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: saivon on August 05, 2014, 07:25:59 PM
Some interesting developments in this conflict:

  • Israel bombed several UN buildings and shelters
  • Obama said they went too far
  • Netanyahu said "the U.S. is easy to move" and told Obama "Do not ever second guess me again".

What exactly does Israel have on the U.S. that keeps Obama on this Netanyahu's leash and the U.S. sending billions to their country?  Oil?
Half life 3 :trollface:
Title: Re: I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Post by: Prox on August 06, 2014, 03:14:19 AM
Some interesting developments in this conflict:

  • Israel bombed several UN buildings and shelters
  • Obama said they went too far
  • Netanyahu said "the U.S. is easy to move" and told Obama "Do not ever second guess me again".

What exactly does Israel have on the U.S. that keeps Obama on this Netanyahu's leash and the U.S. sending billions to their country?  Oil?
Massive political influence over US foreign and domestic policy(for example AIPAC, literally a lobby made for a foreign nation)
Janet Yellen, third jew in a row "elected" as head of the federal reserve which is responsible for printing USA dollars.
Then there's this thing:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Basically they have a major influence over US politics, media and finance.