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Support (Read Only) => Suggestions => Topic started by: Jman on October 29, 2010, 07:26:26 PM
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So Coolz, cake, and I were in ts3 and were discussing the new updates to flood. One of which are a voteskip build and vote extend build.
Somehow we got into the topic of micspam and we thought about it and decided that the votemute system would be a good idea if the rest of the community accepted it.
Here is how we decided it would work:
-Only VIPs can start.
-Majority must vote yes.
-Mutes people for 5 minutes if approved and if they evade it would be extended (how long is undecided).
-Votemutes can be started only every so often.
-Votemuting would be just like votekick/voteban so if abused, you can be reported and demoted.
So now,
Discuss.
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Hell yes.
Votemute ≥ Manual playerlist mute
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Eh.
I am really not sure about this one.
The main problem would probably be simply that the definition of what is mic-"spam" is different from person to person. One might consider a certain song mic spam, while others consider it absolutely amazing.
Or people yelling into their mics, but still contributing to the game - for example people that tend to yell when they get shot at, which some people could take as mic spam.
Or, one of the most important topics, little kids using their mics. Many consider that as extremely annoying and would LOVE to get them muted - inb4cyberbullying.
Some mic spam is annoying, I agree - mostly the ones with terrible quality.
The thing is - sure, you say now you can report, but what happens when someone reports someone for a wrong votekick? "Dude, it's a kick."
Why are you sure that people (and admins) won't just say "dude, it's just a mute, don't use your mic/mic spam for five minutes".
All in all, I doubt this function would bring more than people complaining about it.
Pressing ESC, then playerlist, then mute in-game voice is still faster than typing votemute, selecting the name and naming a reason.
tl;dr: not sure if want.
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And what about people that just keep mic spamming after getting muted?
I'm sorry, but I just don't see any use in this.
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The main problem would probably be simply that the definition of what is mic-"spam" is different from person to person. One might consider a certain song mic spam, while others consider it absolutely amazing.
Hence the word "vote". Simple, if you think a song is good...God gave Bill Gates/Steve Jobs the idea to make a nifty little program. We know that program as "Windows Media Player and iTunes/Quicktime". Use it.
Objection overruled.
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Hence the word "vote". Simple, if you think a song is good...God gave Bill Gates/Steve Jobs the idea to make a nifty little program. We know that program as "Windows Media Player and iTunes/Quicktime". Use it.
Objection overruled.
>implying I still mic spam.
>implying everyone doesn't just vote "yes" as soon as a vote pops up.
The main point in my post wasn't even spamming songs that much.
Objection is not overruled.
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>implying I still mic spam.
>implying everyone doesn't just vote "yes" as soon as a vote pops up.
The main point in my post wasn't even spamming songs that much.
Objection is not overruled.
If your going to do a >implying quote, it has to make sense.
If people like the song/noise, they will vote no. If they dont like it, then they will vote yes. If a majority of the server votes yes, then thats that. The people who voted no have to live with that fact.
And simple, if a VIP defines mic-spam differently....
Votemute
Vote
"Vote".
Then the person can manually mute the player.
Objection re-overruled.
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dddd
Eh, I'm not strong enough against this to go further into this argument.
I'm not against its core, but I just don't really see the point of it.
Still, just because it has the word "vote" in it, doesn't mean it's fair - we all know that people tend to just vote yes because they can.
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Eh, I'm not strong enough against this to go further into this argument.
I'm not against its core, but I just don't really see the point of it.
Still, just because it has the word "vote" in it, doesn't mean it's fair - we all know that people tend to just vote yes because they can.
Then thats a risk you have to take and hope idiots aren't on the server. Im pretty sure people know the difference between flat-out mic-spamming and having shitty mic quality.
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Then thats a risk you have to take and hope idiots aren't on the server. Im pretty sure people know the difference between flat-out mic-spamming and having shitty mic quality.
You don't play too often, do you?
People are quite stupid when it comes to these kind of things.
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You don't play too often, do you?
People are quite stupid when it comes to these kind of things.
So why not make it voting for Regulars+ or even VIP+ if necessary
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You don't play too often, do you?
People are quite stupid when it comes to these kind of things.
Well gee, I know that 60% of regulars tend to hit the yes button without thinking/doin it for the lulz. But hopefully you have people who are actually smart on.
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So why not make it voting for Regulars+ or even VIP+ if necessary
Even Regulars+ tend to just vote yes ...
Proof?
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/502/1778695282.png)
As said, I'm gonna stay out of this topic now so others can voice their opinions.
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Why can't you just mute them manually instead of this vote-muting thingy [when some people might not even vote].
Oh btw, I also scream into the mic sometimes for fun, not mic-spam :P
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couldent you just click Esc then players then mute?
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Hell yes.
Votemute ≥ Manual playerlist mute
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How is it faster than manually muting players?
I know I said I stay out of this and all, but I still don't get how typing "votemute", selecting a player, typing in a reason and then pressing "start vote" is faster than making three clicks.
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How is it faster than manually muting players?
I know I said I stay out of this and all, but I still don't get how typing "votemute", selecting a player, typing in a reason and then pressing "start vote" is faster than making three clicks.
Speed isint the matter.
Its wither the fucking player learns to stop or not.
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Because being muted for five minutes totally changes your views of the world.
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Because being muted for five minutes totally changes your views of the world.
If the jackass decides to keep on doing it, then thats when you begin to roll out the kick boot.
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Yes, do this immediately.
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I'm not sure if we really need this since there is a playerlist.
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Don't you love how no one so far brought any kind of argument FOR the whole thing?
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These kids with earraping voices nowadays.
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this is a good idea for VIPs.
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If your that blind that you cant read the whole thread, I already addressed that contradiction.
If people have different definitions on what is considered mic-spam...Then Coolz would have to determine what you can votemute for. Example:
* Any type of music playing
*Idiots who yell into their mic with a force of 1000 suns on purpose, thus ear-raping the masses
*And basically anything coolz would define as mic-spamming on purpose.
Without this, everyone just dances around the rule and takes advantage of it when people with common sense, dont like it.
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I would like votemute cause for me player list is a tiny box with a X in the top right corner. I am not gonna resinstall gmod to resolve this problem because of all my skins and addons.
Back to topic-
Mabye create votemute for regulars+ because vip have already many powers while regulars can only vote in a vote.
Also mute should be an hour and if the guy rejoins he is still muted(if possible)
Only mute =
if no one likes the song and he doesn't stop
if it is a foreign player who can't speak English.
if it is a foreign child who keeps cussing all the time and micspamming.
Any guy who talks to much(like me)
All of the players on the server or at least the majority don't like to hear.
If a player decides to play music but it is terrible quality. EVEN IF A PLAYER LIKES THE MUSIC NOOOO(terrible quality is very similar to a man orgasm with the mic in his mouth)
Don't mute =
If most players like the music being played and whoever doesn't -playerlist-
If the player has done nothing wrong
If people do not mind the voice of the other guy.
Mabye some of these statements above might have been repeated earlier...blah blah blah
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You could care less means that you do care about your grammar, since you can care less than you actually do. If you're going to use that sentence, it's "I couldn't care less".
AS I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS POST WHICH WAS MYSTERIOUSLY NOT ADRESSED,
what do/did people say when you reported for a wrong votekick? "It's just a kick, get over it".
what will people say when you report for a wrong votemute? "It's just a mute, get over it".
Your argument is invalid.
EDIT:
Responded to deleted posts. Bah.
Was talking about this post:
If rules on what you can and cant votemute for would be enforced, it would work. Plain and simple. If people votemute for the wrong reason or that wasn't specified by coolz, then that would be subject to get your VIP power taken away. Im sure Moo didn't hand out VIP left and right like with respected who did not read the rules.
Also, I could care less about my grammar.
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Stop the trolling and random shit pl0x *cough* devieandfrank *cough*
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You could care less means that you do care about your grammar, since you can care less than you actually do. If you're going to use that sentence, it's "I couldn't care less".
AS I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS POST WHICH WAS MYSTERIOUSLY NOT ADRESSED,
what do/did people say when you reported for a wrong votekick? "It's just a kick, get over it".
what will people say when you report for a wrong votemute? "It's just a mute, get over it".
Your argument is invalid.
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Responded to deleted posts. Bah.
Im pretty sure not 100% of people who reply in the report section on wrongful kicks say "It's just a kick, get over it". An admin warns the user about the wrongful kick at the least.
Your basically saying that admins wont warn the user for the wrong mute. Sure people would say it's just a mute bla bla bla, but there would/is some type of consequence for abusing/being stupid with the votemute command.
Your face is invalid.
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I don't think votemute would be a good idea, because if most people vote to mute a person, but some don't want to, the person will either way be muted for everyone. Using ESC mute doesn't hurt anyone, as individual people can mute as they want, and not affect other players.
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I don't think votemute would be a good idea, because if most people vote to mute a person, but some don't want to, the person will either way be muted for everyone. Using ESC mute doesn't hurt anyone, as individual people can mute as they want, and not affect other players.
That's there problem then. Majority of the server wants a person to stfu, then so be it.
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That's there problem then. Majority of the server wants a person to stfu, then so be it.
:/
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wait but what if someone is micspamming good song?????
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wait but what if someone is micspamming good song?????
Then don't votekick or if a votekick is made vote no.
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Time it takes to mute a person in playerlist < Time it takes to start a vote
Thread overturned.
Although this would be useful for 9-year olds with mics...
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Time it takes to mute a person in playerlist < Time it takes to start a vote
Thread overturned.
Although this would be useful for 9-year olds with mics...
Im pretty sure I already said this. Time is not the matter. Its wither the player learns or not.
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Im pretty sure I already said this. Time is not the matter. Its wither the player learns or not.
I didn't even read any posts after the first. trololololo
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People don't learn from bans, what makes you think they're going to learn anything from being muted? >_>
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People don't learn from bans, what makes you think they're going to learn anything from being muted? >_>
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People don't learn from bans, what makes you think they're going to learn anything from being muted? >_>
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People don't learn from bans, what makes you think they're going to learn anything from being muted? >_>
Well...that is a point. Can you name any idiots who dont learn the first couple of times of being banned?
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Well...that is a point. Can you name any idiots who dont learn the first couple of times of being banned?
Do I need to say it?
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Well...that is a point. Can you name any idiots who dont learn the first couple of times of being banned?
myppl8
MW2 Traitor
Pretty much every single hacker
Krasher
Revenant
Dex
And that's just reeeaaally few.
Don't. Edit. My. Posts. Just. Because. You. Can't. Face. The. Truth.
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I bet 5 dollars someone is going to abuse this and votemute for a whiny voice
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I bet 5 dollars someone is going to abuse this and votemute for a whiny voice
Not unless coolz manually defines what to votemute for.
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I bet 5 dollars someone is going to abuse this and votemute for a whiny voice
I wouldn't consider it abuse. I would consider it a favor to humanity.
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I wouldn't consider it abuse. I would consider it a favor to humanity.
I would call it a favor to humanity as well but, whiny voices isnt a viable reason to votekick, probably it wont be a viable reason to votemute as well
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I would call it a favor to humanity as well but, whiny voices isnt a viable reason to votekick, probably it wont be a viable reason to votemute as well
What if the majority of the population wants them to STFU? A votemute isn't as severe as a votekick/ban.
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Say the majority of the people wants to hang someone, right?
It's just okay! Why? Just because the majority says so!
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Say the majority of the people wants to hang someone, right?
It's just okay! Why? Just because the majority says so!
^this
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If I was VIP I would want it since I use the 'Globally mute' cmd ingame alot :P
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Were bringing this to the suprEME court!
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SUPREME COURTZ. WHO ARE TEH JUDGES?
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So far, the votes say yes.
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So far, the votes say yes.
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How about no?
I like having conversations with people when others listening just tell us to STFU... and those people would mute me or the person I'm talking to... Which would suck since I wouldn't be able to finish my convo...
ESC - Player List - Mute
/Thread
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How about no?
I like having conversations with people when others listening just tell us to STFU... and those people would mute me or the person I'm talking to... Which would suck since I wouldn't be able to finish my convo...
ESC - Player List - Mute
/Thread
There's a difference between delightful conversations and ear-raping someone with a horrible, shitty quality techno/parry gripp song.
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There's a difference between delightful conversations and ear-raping someone with a horrible, shitty quality techno/parry gripp song.
LMAO you really give the players to much credit....
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So far, the votes say yes.
So far, no one that says yes has brought a single valid argument of why it should be implemented.
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So far, no one that says yes has brought a single valid argument of why it should be implemented.
This.
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Point is, that's why there's a poll. The only argument I see against it is the Player List mute.
I don't really care, I just go with what the poll says.
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So far, no one that says yes has brought a single valid argument of why it should be implemented.
And im the only one who's holding up my side of the debate so far :C
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So far, no one that says yes has brought a single valid argument of why it should be implemented.
C-C-C COMBO BREAKER
Lolz jkz
But that is a win sentence.
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Point is, that's why there's a poll. The only argument I see against it is the Player List mute.
That's one more argument against it than there's for it.
There's NO point at all in this, and people voting yes just don't know how to mute.
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That's one more argument against it than there's for it.
There's NO point at all in this, and people voting yes just don't know how to mute.
Your "arguement" of player list mute does not contradict the votemute, it is just simply another way to do it. You haven't made a single valid point against it specifically and we haven't made one for it. In that case, it should be up to the poll.
Also, the MAIN person against the votemute just so happens to be one of the or the most frequent mic spammer in the server.
Coincidence? I think not. If you want to listen to music that is loud and annoying please use an ipod or something. There is no reason to make anyone else hear it as well.
When you are in the middle of a round and someone starts mic spamming. What happens when you go in for that 5 seconds to mute the player and get killed? That is all the time a traitor needs to strike.
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Your "arguement" of player list mute does not contradict the votemute, it is just simply another way to do it. You haven't made a single valid point against it specifically and we haven't made one for it. In that case, it should be up to the poll.
Also, the MAIN person against the votemute just so happens to be one of the or the most frequent mic spammer in the server.
Coincidence? I think not. If you want to listen to music that is loud and annoying please use an ipod or something. There is no reason to make anyone else hear it as well.
When you are in the middle of a round and someone starts mic spamming. What happens when you go in for that 5 seconds to mute the player and get killed? That is all the time a traitor needs to strike.
Yes, it does contradict the votemute - because instead of affecting the entire server, all you affect by simply muting a person yourself is you. No one knows that you muted the person and the people that like the mic spam can still listen to it.
Your super-duper argument consisting of me being the "biggest mic spammer" on the server is invalid like nothing named before - I did use to mic spam, true. Have I mic spammed in the last weeks/months? I think not. Some people like to listen to music without having to exit their GMod all the time, and I don't see why it's necessary to prevent them from doing sol.
Well well, yes, mic spamming in the middle of the round CAN get you killed - but, tell me my friend, how is typing votemute, then selecting a player faster than doing that?
Exactly, it is not.
tl;dr: my "arguement" of playerlist mute does contradict the votemute. It's not another way to do it, it's THE way to do it, and there's no reason to bring any other arguments into this; there's not a single valid point by doing this, people know how to mute.
Don't fucking start fixing stuff that isn't broken.
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Also, the MAIN person against the votemute just so happens to be one of the or the most frequent mic spammer in the server.
Coincidence? I think not. If you want to listen to music that is loud and annoying please use an ipod or something. There is no reason to make anyone else hear it as well.
Hmm you do realize playing music isn't mic spamming right? Thats why coolz added HLDJ. if it was mic spamming HLDJ would be disabled.
and BTW I'm against this too and i don't mic spam
Like i said above people are going to mute people just for having a convo, they will also mute someone just for having a high pitch voice. Now thats not a fair reason to mute someone and it will happen, if this system comes into affect. Don't kid yourself thinking it won't!
Use the player list, its there for a reason
The only reason why people want this is because of people playing music or having a high pitch voice
neither is kickable or muteable therefore this system is fail all around.
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Well well, yes, mic spamming in the middle of the round CAN get you killed - but, tell me my friend, how is typing votemute, then selecting a player faster than doing that?
Exactly, it is not.
tl;dr: my "arguement" of playerlist mute does contradict the votemute. It's not another way to do it, it's THE way to do it, and there's no reason to bring any other arguments into this; there's not a single valid point by doing this, people know how to mute.
Don't fucking start fixing stuff that isn't broken.
Evidently you dont understand.
TAKING THE TIME TO MANUALLY PLAYERLIST MUTE SOMEONE IS NOT WHAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
There is no point on playing music for the whole server if you expect to be muted. Sure you have appropriate times to play some quote or epic battle music for a 1 v. 1 on TTT, but really, Votemuting still has the same concept of muting. Just everyone else doesn't have to mute manually and stop what they are doing in the server.
No-one cares about the time honestly. I dont want to start a daily routine of muting people who mic-spam thank you very much. If you dont want the person to be muted then simple, vote no. If everyone on the server votes yes, then suxs2beu.
tl;dr who gives a shit about the time it takes to mute, it's a vote. People dont want to hear mic-spam, then they dont want to. If a majority of the server votes yes to a mute, then thats that.
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Evidently you dont understand.
TAKING THE TIME TO MANUALLY PLAYERLIST MUTE SOMEONE IS NOT WHAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
There is no point on playing music for the whole server if you expect to be muted. Sure you have appropriate times to play some quote or epic battle music for a 1 v. 1 on TTT, but really, Votemuting still has the same concept of muting. Just everyone else doesn't have to mute manually and stop what they are doing in the server.
No-one cares about the time honestly. I dont want to start a daily routine of muting people who mic-spam thank you very much. If you dont want the person to be muted then simple, vote no. If everyone on the server votes yes, then suxs2beu.
tl;dr who gives a shit about the time it takes to mute, it's a vote. People dont want to hear mic-spam, then they dont want to. If a majority of the server votes yes to a mute, then thats that.
I claim Cake Face's argument.
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What with the arguments?!?! It's not too difficult to decide on something simple like this. I say votemute is unnecessary, as it mutes for everyone rather than individuals.
End of story.
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What with the arguments?!?! It's not too difficult to decide on something simple like this. I say votemute is unnecessary, as it mutes for everyone rather than individuals.
End of story.
Since you didnt read the thread, i'll describe this on your level:
da-persun-neds-to-stfu-cuz-we-dunt-want-2-heere-sietty-musik
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Since you didnt read the thread, i'll describe this on your level:
da-persun-neds-to-stfu-cuz-we-dunt-want-2-heere-sietty-musik
>:(
Some people may like the music and don't want it muted, unless it's Justin Bieber.
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>:(
Some people may like the music and don't want it muted, unless it's Justin Bieber.
Then that's why we have a wonderful invention called "The Internet". Lern2WMP/iTunes.
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I wouldn't consider playing music with HLDJ Mic-spamming, unless they play like at ultra high volume that makes you deaf or something.
That's why HLDJ was made; to play music so everybody can hear it and to enjoy it [unless...yea].
PS-Sorry Shawn if I just restated what you just said ><
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Hai guise, I's come to save all your asses.
Scratch this shitty idea. We already have a way to mute people's microphones. What would really come in handy would be a chat mute.
Aah, you never thought about that eh! Always thinking about "halp halp micspammer!", that's why you have the bloody player list. But the only way to prevent people from flooding the chat, is the server way. But people can still talk a lot without necessarily flooding.
THAT is where the votemute comes in. It may not shut his microphone, but it will sure prevent him from writing. And a good thing would also be to make TWO different votemutes, e.g. votemute1 mutes the subject for 5 minutes, whereas votemute2 mutes it for 1 hour.
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Hai guise, I's come to save all your asses.
Scratch this shitty idea. We already have a way to mute people's microphones. What would really come in handy would be a chat mute.
Aah, you never thought about that eh! Always thinking about "halp halp micspammer!", that's why you have the bloody player list. But the only way to prevent people from flooding the chat, is the server way. But people can still talk a lot without necessarily flooding.
THAT is where the votemute comes in. It may not shut his microphone, but it will sure prevent him from writing. And a good thing would also be to make TWO different votemutes, e.g. votemute1 mutes the subject for 5 minutes, whereas votemute2 mutes it for 1 hour.
Oh my god, I just came.
Make this instead of that garbage being discussed here.
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Hai guise, I's come to save all your asses.
Scratch this shitty idea. We already have a way to mute people's microphones. What would really come in handy would be a chat mute.
Aah, you never thought about that eh! Always thinking about "halp halp micspammer!", that's why you have the bloody player list. But the only way to prevent people from flooding the chat, is the server way. But people can still talk a lot without necessarily flooding.
THAT is where the votemute comes in. It may not shut his microphone, but it will sure prevent him from writing. And a good thing would also be to make TWO different votemutes, e.g. votemute1 mutes the subject for 5 minutes, whereas votemute2 mutes it for 1 hour.
nope.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14#ws)
Stick to the shutting down mic plz, thats why you have a bloody votemute command.
And since when the hell was there a burst in chat-spammers if gmod manually limits chat messages sent every 2 seconds.
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I'm pretty sure people will abuse this command >_>
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I'm pretty sure people will abuse this command >_>
No doubt about it
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Only 60 percent of the voters clicked yes, whatever that maybe.
The argument I see is: The ability to globally mute a player 1 time, versus everyone who wants to mute having to manually mute the player.
My stance is still on the player list side. If they want to mute, it's a couple steps. Prevents the issue of players wanting to listen to the voice-muted player.
A chat mute is a different story, and I would need concrete examples as to why a mute must be created to stop someone from chatting.