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Title: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Tiger Guy on August 01, 2012, 06:05:51 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/07/human-immortality-could-be-possible-by-2045-say-russian-scientists.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/07/human-immortality-could-be-possible-by-2045-say-russian-scientists.html)

>If Dmitry Itskov's 2045 initiative plays out as planned, humans will have the option of living forever with the help of machines in only 33 years.
>It may sound ridiculous, but the 31-year-old Russian mogul is dead serious about neuroscience, android robotics, and cybernetic immortality.
>He has already pulled together a team of leading Russian scientists intent on creating fully functional holographic human avatars that house artificial brains which contain a person's complete consciousness - in other words, a humanoid robot.
>Together, they've laid out an ambitious course of action that would see the team transplant a human brain into an artificial body (or 'avatar') in as little as seven years time.

What do you guys make of this?
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Astropilot on August 01, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
So cyborgs?

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100812191118/tardis/images/1/14/41631814_cybermen3_416bbc.jpg)
Let's hope none of that happens.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Dale Feles on August 01, 2012, 06:53:03 PM
So cyborgs?

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100812191118/tardis/images/1/14/41631814_cybermen3_416bbc.jpg)
Let's hope none of that happens.


Whitest Kids U'Know: Sex Robot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGSVYgcy24Q#ws)
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Ἆxule on August 01, 2012, 08:02:02 PM
I could only think of The Big Bang Theory while reading that.
Doctor Sheldon Cooper will be so happy to hear this news.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Captain Communism on August 01, 2012, 08:03:08 PM
>Russian Scientists

If drinking yourself to immortality works, then Seb should be God by now, correct?
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: ursus on August 01, 2012, 08:33:26 PM
>Russian Scientists

If drinking yourself to immortality works, then Seb should be God by now, correct?

>implying he wasn't already
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Tezuni on August 01, 2012, 08:53:47 PM
Wishful thinking.  And how exactly do holographic avatars house brains?  Holographs aren't even solid. 

The article needs to use terminology correctly before I can even begin to take it seriously...
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: ursus on August 01, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
Wishful thinking.  And how exactly do holographic avatars house brains?  Holographs aren't even solid. 

The article needs to use terminology correctly before I can even begin to take it seriously...

You need to interpret terminology correctly before I can even begin to take you seriously.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Seb on August 01, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
I could only think of The Big Bang Theory while reading that.
Doctor Sheldon Cooper will be so happy to hear this news.

That's a terrible show and I'll never understand why anybody likes it.



>implying he wasn't already

Damn right I'm a god.



Wishful thinking.  And how exactly do holographic avatars house brains?  Holographs aren't even solid. 

The article needs to use terminology correctly before I can even begin to take it seriously...

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt283/Rotedria/1299112722349.jpg)
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: memo3300 on August 01, 2012, 10:30:37 PM
before reading this it came to my mind someting i saw on discovery i believe that was really interesting...

pretty much, is a immortal jellyfish ->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_nutricula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_nutricula)
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Cake Faice on August 01, 2012, 10:48:24 PM
I'm fine with dieing at the normal human life span....unless hell is real.

Then I'd be okay with immortality.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Shockah on August 02, 2012, 01:24:59 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/07/human-immortality-could-be-possible-by-2045-say-russian-scientists.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/07/human-immortality-could-be-possible-by-2045-say-russian-scientists.html)

>If Dmitry Itskov's 2045 initiative plays out as planned, humans will have the option of living forever with the help of machines in only 33 years.
>It may sound ridiculous, but the 31-year-old Russian mogul is dead serious about neuroscience, android robotics, and cybernetic immortality.
>He has already pulled together a team of leading Russian scientists intent on creating fully functional holographic human avatars that house artificial brains which contain a person's complete consciousness - in other words, a humanoid robot.
>Together, they've laid out an ambitious course of action that would see the team transplant a human brain into an artificial body (or 'avatar') in as little as seven years time.

What do you guys make of this?

We were also suppose to have laser guns flying cars and robot maids by 2000.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: semy32 on August 02, 2012, 03:05:59 AM
Immortality is bad.

Living forever means not being able to have a family, they would just die. Losing your loved ones again, again and again.

Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: blαh2355 on August 02, 2012, 04:44:58 AM
inb4 super population increase

Unless the government is going to control reproduction, that's going to be a problem.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: memo3300 on August 02, 2012, 06:06:10 AM
inb4 super population increase

Unless the government is going to control reproduction, that's going to be a problem.


overpopulation IS a problem right now.

the money that costs a flat in a not to nice spot of spain is worth enought to buy a really big house in a decent place or Peru

also, my dad's flat is worth the double than what he bought it for.



With that i belive some people would be living a really nice life, but other would be living a hell with no food or money to buy a house.




Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Nemisous on August 02, 2012, 08:06:57 AM
Taking heed to words of Ra's Al Ghul, Immortality sounds good on the surface, but when one lives for hundreds of years, you will long for death.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: ursus on August 02, 2012, 08:33:55 AM
Taking heed to words of Ra's Al Ghul, Immortality sounds good on the surface, but when one lives for hundreds of years, you will long for death.

And we all sure are qualified to debate on the topic of immortality.

Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: » Magic « on August 02, 2012, 10:24:03 AM
But you wouldn't be able to taste or smell anything?

you would just be able to think

I'd rather die

seeing my friends die naturally then there's me - making me friends only results in them dying eventually o.0

would be depressing as fuck
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Tezuni on August 02, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
You need to interpret terminology correctly before I can even begin to take you seriously.

I understand the meanings just fine buddy.  Do you understand them?
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Nemisous on August 02, 2012, 11:36:44 AM
But you wouldn't be able to taste or smell anything?

you would just be able to think

I'd rather die

seeing my friends die naturally then there's me - making me friends only results in them dying eventually o.0

would be depressing as fuck

Dont forget that the world we live in is depressing as fuck, so living in it forever would like torturing yourself. Unless you don't feel emotion when your put in this avatar, and your the equivalent of a robot with memories.

Me personally immortality and living forever is too much, I think id be fine with a rather long live. say 100 or 110 that way I can live to see the new century. 
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: memo3300 on August 02, 2012, 11:48:17 AM
you woulnd't live forever... i mean, soner or later a truck will ran over the place where there is your brain and *dead*.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Tiger Guy on August 02, 2012, 02:36:00 PM
Why is human immortality such a bad thing? You guys are making it seem like immortality=living robot with no emotions or senses, which is most likely false.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Cake Faice on August 02, 2012, 03:02:18 PM
Why is human immortality such a bad thing? You guys are making it seem like immortality=living robot with no emotions or senses, which is most likely false.
Well temporary immortality may not be such a bad thing, but full, flatout, everlasting immortality...eventually you'd have to see things that you've grown emotionally attached to die out/fade away if they're not immortal as well. Which then probably might drive you to madness, makes you wish you weren't alive for ever...and yeah.

The only situation you can really do is gather every single drug you can find and have an everlasting trip-out session for the next couple of centuries or so.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Seb on August 02, 2012, 03:03:52 PM
Anybody here seen "The Man from Earth"?

Because it's very appropriate.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Jhon on August 02, 2012, 03:58:16 PM
I hope by the time we'll have immortality we'll be able to easily travel to space and live there if we wish. That will solve any "overpopulation" problem, plus you'll never be bored cause you'll be able to explore the whole universe for centuries and observe it while it changes.
I'll enjoy being immortal and use up the time to do as much as I possibly can. So what if I'll have to see mortal things I've grown attached to die, it happens anyway while you're mortal, you just get over it. Maybe that's bad, but I'll feel somewhat good knowing I outlasted all of the ones who died.

And we never know how it will be. It might be living like a robot with no emotions and it might be better than living as humans now. I'm mainly thinking about the possibility of flying on your own in the future or the ability to transform to whatever we wish to.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: semy32 on August 02, 2012, 04:57:34 PM
I hope by the time we'll have immortality we'll be able to easily travel to space and live there if we wish. That will solve any "overpopulation" problem, plus you'll never be bored cause you'll be able to explore the whole universe for centuries and observe it while it changes.
I'll enjoy being immortal and use up the time to do as much as I possibly can. So what if I'll have to see mortal things I've grown attached to die, it happens anyway while you're mortal, you just get over it. Maybe that's bad, but I'll feel somewhat good knowing I outlasted all of the ones who died.

I am cold and heartless but damn, that's a little bit too much.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Lazer Blade on August 02, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
WIll this come with a lazer gun feature ? If so I'm okay with this.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Eion Kilant 739 on August 02, 2012, 09:35:23 PM
You all are forgetting several things:

1. You will never afford this.
2. You might have other robot friends.
3. This. Ain't. Ever. Gonna. Happen. You mark my words.

Anyways, I wonder what advances in technology his research will bring us.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Seb on August 02, 2012, 10:19:33 PM
You all are forgetting several things:

3. This. Ain't. Ever. Gonna. Happen. You mark my words.

Uh, the article right there is saying it already is.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Ἆxule on August 02, 2012, 10:20:35 PM
I would do this if we were able to move and act as if we were still in our human body. I mean, sure it sounds cool to live forever and be able to learn and see all of these things, but what use is it in the end?
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: metalbeersolid on August 02, 2012, 11:48:01 PM
Taking heed to words of Ra's Al Ghul, Immortality sounds good on the surface, but when one lives for hundreds of years, you will long for death.
you woulnd't live forever... i mean, soner or later a truck will ran over the place where there is your brain and *dead*.

Yeah, like memo said; you may be able to live for ever, but you would not be indestructible. I view this as a way of extending life rather than trapping people into living indefinitely.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Tezuni on August 03, 2012, 12:52:29 AM
The best shot at immortality is to stop the aging process.  It's already been done, and in fact, reversed with mice.

Man or machine, I think immortality is just a matter of time, but invincibility is impossible.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Jhon on August 03, 2012, 03:42:14 AM
You all are forgetting several things:

1. You will never afford this.
2. You might have other robot friends.
3. This. Ain't. Ever. Gonna. Happen. You mark my words.

Anyways, I wonder what advances in technology his research will bring us.

People already have robotic limbs which they can move just like normal ones. They just need to find a way to put a brain in a robot or create an artifical one.
Sight is also done already, hearing would probably be easy, smelling, tasting and reproduction are left.

Yeah, like memo said; you may be able to live for ever, but you would not be indestructible. I view this as a way of extending life rather than trapping people into living indefinitely.

If they'll make the robots from materials like...Carbon Fiber for example, then it will be harder to kill us. They'll just put our brains inside the robot and done =D

The only thing I fear is that they'll be able to control us and program us however they wish. Then we'll end up being their slaves/army forever.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Nemisous on August 03, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
Yes there is indeed people with prosthetic limbs that work just like regular limbs but these people have to pay and arm and a leg... horrible pun. Most people have rather simple prosthetic limbs that are made of acrylic and have simple sensors that open and close with the movement of the stump. These modern prosthetic limbs cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and are complex and are difficult to make because they use rare materials like titanium and other alloys and hard plastics.

But I think your thinking way to hard about this, think of it what is the number one weakness of a robot...... and EMP. The EMP would shut off everyone and the brains would rot killing everyone. The very electronics keeping us alive would get fried.
while a normal human would be fine.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: memo3300 on August 03, 2012, 11:28:01 AM
People already have robotic limbs which they can move just like normal ones. They just need to find a way to put a brain in a robot or create an artifical one.
Sight is also done already, hearing would probably be easy, smelling, tasting and reproduction are left.

If they'll make the robots from materials like...Carbon Fiber for example, then it will be harder to kill us. They'll just put our brains inside the robot and done =D

The only thing I fear is that they'll be able to control us and program us however they wish. Then we'll end up being their slaves/army forever.


Harder, but nothing makes someone invencible. (as far we know yet)



Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: ·UηİŦ·· on August 03, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
Anybody here seen "The Man from Earth"?

Because it's very appropriate.

yes it is and i like that book movie

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/07/human-immortality-could-be-possible-by-2045-say-russian-scientists.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/07/human-immortality-could-be-possible-by-2045-say-russian-scientists.html)

>If Dmitry Itskov's 2045 initiative plays out as planned, humans will have the option of living forever with the help of machines in only 33 years.
>It may sound ridiculous, but the 31-year-old Russian mogul is dead serious about neuroscience, android robotics, and cybernetic immortality.
>He has already pulled together a team of leading Russian scientists intent on creating fully functional holographic human avatars that house artificial brains which contain a person's complete consciousness - in other words, a humanoid robot.
>Together, they've laid out an ambitious course of action that would see the team transplant a human brain into an artificial body (or 'avatar') in as little as seven years time.

What do you guys make of this?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

ALSO Figure A is screaming this scenario at me while slightly turning into Figure C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Crisis_%28The_Outer_Limits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Crisis_%28The_Outer_Limits)

I totally want to walk over to my crisped self and be all liek "Y U NO CHECK CODE?".

Edit: Fixed. Not sure why it did that.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Foofoojack on August 03, 2012, 02:54:00 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
the fuck
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Jhon on August 03, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
Yes there is indeed people with prosthetic limbs that work just like regular limbs but these people have to pay and arm and a leg... horrible pun. Most people have rather simple prosthetic limbs that are made of acrylic and have simple sensors that open and close with the movement of the stump. These modern prosthetic limbs cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and are complex and are difficult to make because they use rare materials like titanium and other alloys and hard plastics.

But I think your thinking way to hard about this, think of it what is the number one weakness of a robot...... and EMP. The EMP would shut off everyone and the brains would rot killing everyone. The very electronics keeping us alive would get fried.
while a normal human would be fine.

I actually checked and from a couple of sources (Wiki's one of them) they usually cost between 10k to 15k USD and sometimes 35K. That's not a lot for many people and the cost will probably go down in time.
And as for EMP, they'll just have to find a solution for that. Think about it this way, with a body made from some super-strong material a grenade won't harm you, but an EMP will. The method will just change that's all.


Harder, but nothing makes someone invencible. (as far we know yet)


No one said invincible, just the "ability" to live forever.

@·UηİŦ··©  -  I read it all, but since I'm lazy I'll just say this - Things will change when people will be immortal, we will "evolve" like we did when computers, phones and the "internet" were introduced to the world. It's true that this is "slightly" different, but this what's evolution all about. If it will fail we might go extinct and if it won't we will evolve and live forever. Nothing to lose imo, because if we won't evolve we might go extinct anyway.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Cake Faice on August 03, 2012, 03:43:08 PM
I actually checked and from a couple of sources (Wiki's one of them) they usually cost between 10k to 15k USD and sometimes 35K. That's not a lot for many people and the cost will probably go down in time.
Dude what.

Maybe if you have a job as a district attorney with a expensive Porsche/have a nice college degree that may not be a lot. But to a large majority of people in the current state of the US economy with unemployment rates, that is a heap amount.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Nemisous on August 03, 2012, 10:56:58 PM
I actually checked and from a couple of sources (Wiki's one of them) they usually cost between 10k to 15k USD and sometimes 35K. That's not a lot for many people and the cost will probably go down in time.
And as for EMP, they'll just have to find a solution for that. Think about it this way, with a body made from some super-strong material a grenade won't harm you, but an EMP will. The method will just change that's all.

As cake face said even 10-35 grand is a lot of money, and the price wouldn't go down it would increase because the more we make something the higher the demand is. there isn't a way to change the method unless you can find another way to power and object without electricity or metal object that a current passes through like wires.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Viole on August 11, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
I wonder why nobody referenced this... http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/)  :trollface:

Don't really have anything to say other than that his plan will back fire somehow  :trollface:
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: yoshi on August 14, 2012, 01:12:02 PM
I'll rather die.
I don't trust russians that much, you never know if they're going to put vaginas and dick in every one of the robots.

I don't wann get raped everyday.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: Tiger Guy on August 14, 2012, 01:44:20 PM
I'll rather die.
I don't trust russians that much, you never know if they're going to put vaginas and dick in every one of the robots.

I don't wann get raped everyday.
It's not rape if they got swag control of your mind. You're pretty much a glorified sex toy then.
Title: Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Post by: yoshi on August 14, 2012, 02:26:23 PM
You're pretty much a glorified sex toy then.

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