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Spoiler: sidenote (click to show/hide)
Seriously. Don't start lashing out at her because you didn't bother reading everything ._.Yes, but it's still kind of bad imo. Like, I thought she was making up the story on her own. It was kind of obvious the backgrounds were taken but... that the entire story word by word was taken is kind of disappointing. And she really should have made it more obvious that she was taking the story from somewhere else. The only mention I have EVER seen of it from her is in that tiny section of the OP.
It's in the god damn OP.
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Well, I really tried hard on this for you guys, and for those who think "WELL SHE COPIEDDD SHE PROBABLY BARELY WORKED ON IT" No, that is not the case at all. As I said, yes, this is a remodel of the game "Dangan Ronpa" which Cable and his friends happily posted a link to.
I really wanted to continue on a comic for you guys since the first one I tried, I almost instantly stopped working on, and when I was thinking this, I was obsessed with that game, so I wanted to make a "Randomgs" version of it, because I thought it would be fun and you'd enjoy reading something that I put all your characters in.
Next, I would like to address the poses and my drawings, firstly for anyone who thinks "ppfff she probably copies everything she draws." Well I drew each one of your characters on paper so I think that covers a little bit, and the poses on the Dangan Ronpa thread fit with what the people were saying so I looked off the poses in a separate canvas. Not all of them are copied because I didn't think it fit.
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Now, that I covered that, I'm going to ask if you guys still want me to continue with the comic, if you do then I'd like you to tell me, because I don't see a reason why not to now that everything is addressed and there was no reason to cause this mess in the first place in my opinion.
Or if you don't want me to continue tell me that also, I will completely stop the comic right here if there is more people who want me to stop than to carry on.
I just feel it is hard to respect something when you find it lacks the originality it once held in your eyes. Because it is still not totally your work. The only reason I take things like this so seriously, is because I myself have been plagiarized and it is truly and awful feeling. And that is all I have to say.
It could be entirely perspective, but I see it as a cover.I suppose that makes sense in a way, but I just feel like with writing it is different. I don't really have a problem with the art more so as I do with the storyline itself. She copied some things word for word; and I could possibly be the only person who just doesn't think that's right. But that is my own opinion, I am not to make my statements out there to be rude, but merely a suggestion, you can say. What she does and doesn't do with her comic is up to her. Having people call out things like this though shouldn't start and uproar, but should just be looked into and clarified.
Think music. A "cover" is exactly the same song. That doesn't make it any less your creation, if anything, you're just paying homage to the original source.
She said in the OP that it was based off of it. I don't know what else you expect without being unrealistic (like having to post a link to the wiki every chance she gets).
All she's doing is taking the source material and redoing it to her style.
It's not like she was trying to hide or deny the fact, people just instantly jumped on it the second cable posted that link.
which Cable and his friends happily posted a link to.
I would like to clarify that I only posted the link. Nothing else. Don't shove me into the spotlight.
I suppose that makes sense in a way, but I just feel like with writing it is different. I don't really have a problem with the art more so as I do with the storyline itself. She copied some things word for word; and I could possibly be the only person who just doesn't think that's right. But that is my own opinion, I am not to make my statements out there to be rude, but merely a suggestion, you can say. What she does and doesn't do with her comic is up to her. Having people call out things like this though shouldn't start and uproar, but should just be looked into and clarified.
I would like to clarify that I only posted the link. Nothing else. Don't shove me into the spotlight.
A: You started this, spotlight's on you bud.
B: CONTINUE. <edit, @ purple>
I was the first one to post it yes, but I wasn't the first to find out about it, bud.
It would have been brought up by someone else eventually anyways.
Well, here's my issue.You have your opinions, and I'll have mine. And I respect yours none the less.
She said what it was. She said it was her version of the game. She wasn't trying to hide it. She didn't even really ask for kudos on the story, just the art. After all, it's a manga project, not a writing one.
My issue is people calling her out on it and saying how disappointed they are, when she said in the initial post, clearly what it was.
Hell, might as well nitpick on all the niconico and ytpmv fads.
Canon Crusher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql2fX3pfWO8#ws)
You could say everything you said about Purple about this video. The background/main song was taken from something else, and the creator doesn't say what the original name of the song is in the title or description.
That doesn't mean shit though. The video is still amazing. A shitload of effort went into pitch shifting, effects, everything. He's not trying to take credit for the song. He's not even saying it's an original or anything. He took the source and completely changed it to his own style, his own creation. The video is his, even if the song isn't.
I feel you're just confusing tribute for plagiarism.
Don't pull that shit. You said it to clearly provoke a response from the other users. If you didn't mean for it to be malicious, you would have at least explained why you posted it.
I'm siding with purple on this. Your ideology is pretty much attacking me too, since 75% of the content on my youtube channel are covers of other compositions.
I was the first one to post it yes, but I wasn't the first to find out about it, bud."see what happens" You just implied that you started the whole thing. Why not let someone else post it instead of you if you were so certain that it would be posted later? It would have saved you the trouble of getting involved, which you are indeed.
It would have been brought up by someone else eventually anyways.
edit
Lets look at it from MY point of view, shall we?
"Oh look here, its a comic that looks VERY similar to the op.I'll just post it up and see what happens."
I didn't post any opinions on it. Therfore I am at a neutral standpoint.
"see what happens" You just implied that you started the whole thing. Why not let someone else post it instead of you if you were so certain that it would be posted later? It would have saved you the trouble of getting involved, which you are indeed.Either way, my standpoint is neutral.
APRIL FOOLS GUYS PURPLE MADE BOTH COMICS!!!!1!This comment actually gets +1s.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This comment actually gets +1s.
I can't even find a picture to express my feelings towards that.
Imagine a mix of disappointment, confusion and anger.
But it was a joke?It was neither funny nor appropriate?
It was neither funny nor appropriate?I don't think appropriate will apply to an online gaming forum dude.
I don't think appropriate will apply to an online gaming forum dude.Online gaming forums =/= right to hate/attack/insult/offend/act inconsiderately
I would like to clarify that I only posted the link. Nothing else. Don't shove me into the spotlight.
I suppose that makes sense in a way, but I just feel like with writing it is different. I don't really have a problem with the art more so as I do with the storyline itself. She copied some things word for word; and I could possibly be the only person who just doesn't think that's right. But that is my own opinion, I am not to make my statements out there to be rude, but merely a suggestion, you can say. What she does and doesn't do with her comic is up to her. Having people call out things like this though shouldn't start and uproar, but should just be looked into and clarified.
Things like this happens to those who make stories and pictures alike. You just must know how to handle it. I wish this whole thing wouldn't have taken such a turn for the worst, because a mere citation at the beginning to the original author could have easily stopped this from happening. I am sure a lot of people might think that, within this community assumptions are to be made, and that she was making this for us and that this whole thing is ridiculous; but even so being a bit honorable about your work makes a world of difference online, and especially in the real world. So this is important, even if it might not seem like it is.
Wow... :\Wasn't one of them.
asdf
I love you.
Well, I really tried hard on this for you guys, and for those who think "WELL SHE COPIEDDD SHE PROBABLY BARELY WORKED ON IT" No, that is not the case at all. As I said, yes, this is a remodel of the game "Dangan Ronpa" which Cable and his friends happily posted a link to.I tl;dr'd past this point because I'm on my phone right now.... but I just want to say that I didn't mean to just belittle your entire work put into the comic. I'm just kind of disappointed that you played it off like you were making an original story for us. Never once when I talked to you, or on this thread aside from the tiny broad statement saying that you were using the idea from something else. I just think that you should have made it a lot more obvious... even with reading that spoiler, I still thought you were making a story for us, not just for the most part editing images from someone elses' work. I basically just feel almost lied to sort of. But anyways... wih that being said I don't think that you should stop making it. I still will enjoy it, I just wish you would have said exactly what you were doing from the start. (That tiny spoiler is quite broad... you should have just said that you were more or less adding our characters into a comic which was already made)
I really wanted to continue on a comic for you guys since the first one I tried, I almost instantly stopped working on, and when I was thinking this, I was obsessed with that game, so I wanted to make a "Randomgs" version of it, because I thought it would be fun and you'd enjoy reading something that I put all your characters in.
Next, I would like to address the poses and my drawings, firstly for anyone who thinks "ppfff she probably copies everything she draws." Well I drew each one of your characters on paper so I think that covers a little bit, and the poses on the Dangan Ronpa thread fit with what the people were saying so I looked off the poses in a separate canvas. Not all of them are copied because I didn't think it fit.
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Now, that I covered that, I'm going to ask if you guys still want me to continue with the comic, if you do then I'd like you to tell me, because I don't see a reason why not to now that everything is addressed and there was no reason to cause this mess in the first place in my opinion.
Or if you don't want me to continue tell me that also, I will completely stop the comic right here if there is more people who want me to stop than to carry on.
I tl;dr'd past this point because I'm on my phone right now.... but I just want to say that I didn't mean to just belittle your entire work put into the comic. I'm just kind of disappointed that you played it off like you were making an original story for us. Never once when I talked to you, or on this thread aside from the tiny broad statement saying that you were using the idea from something else. I just think that you should have made it a lot more obvious... even with reading that spoiler, I still thought you were making a story for us, not just for the most part editing images from someone elses' work. I basically just feel almost lied to sort of. But anyways... wih that being said I don't think that you should stop making it. I still will enjoy it, I just wish you would have said exactly what you were doing from the start. (That tiny spoiler is quite broad... you should have just said that you were more or less adding our characters into a comic which was already made)My response in a nutshell, you should probably read my entire post and other posts made before saying things like that.
As for coolz, I slightly agree and disagree with the stuff you're saying. I'm sorry that it pretty much became an attack on Purple, but I think everyone was just upset because they weren't really specifically told what she was doing. And about the plaigirism thing... what she's doing is exact plaigirism lol. Yes, technically there are no original ideas because your ideas are alwaye based off of your experiences... but Purple directly took images from the other comic without permission to my understanding, and on top of that gave no direct credit to them... at least not enough. Not trying to attack Purple, I'm just saying that what she did really is completely plaigirism.
EDIT: The whole thing saying it was an April fools joke... was a joke. Not meant as sarcasm, just wanted to lighten the mood lol...
My response in a nutshell, you should probably read my entire post and other posts made before saying things like that.I read the entire thread actually... but okay.
I did not play it off like it was my own story, I specifically mentioned Dangan Ronpa in the op even if it was a side note, and I also mentioned that if you had anything that would try to cause an argument to talk to me about it privately and avoid things like this. What I did was not plaigirism. Plaigirism is saying that "Yes this is all mine I made it all myself." which I did not say, nor imply it was.
If you wanted me to give the creators of the game more credit which I agree I should have gave them more, you could have talked to me about it in a private chat so that all of this could have been avoided.
and I'm sorely upset that none of you came to me first before trying to ruin the entire comic, especially you Cable, even though you only posted the link, you could have came to me and said "My friends we're talking about your comic and I got this link that I think it looks very similar to yours, care to explain?" before posting it and starting this. You have absolutely no excuse to what you did, you didn't even think for a second about me or how this could all have been avoided.
--Also, that "joke" you pulled Sabb, wasn't very friendly, it made me look like an idiot and I would like an apology.
I read the entire thread actually... but okay.Because maybe Purple thought everyone had read the side note and was complimenting her about the changes she had done.
If you read through my whole comment I believe I said several times that I wasn't really as upset about it being "plaigirism" or w.e as that you didn't really even mention it, the only time being in the op in the spoiler. And I talked to you about the comic several times and complimented you about it a decent amount, and you didn't once mention that you were getting the story from something else. But anyways... I'm sorry you took offence to that... I didn't mean it that way, I'm not a complete asshole ._.. It wasn't in any way to make fun of you AT ALL, though I see how you could interpret it that way I guess... so I'm sorry. Also, I actually sent you a few messages in Skype a while ago for when you go on. I don't really want to argue about this any more or anything so... I think everyone's stated their opinion. And no, it's not something bad that I messaged you.
Because maybe Purple thought everyone had read the side note and was complimenting her about the changes she had done.>implying I didn't read the sidenote
>implying I didn't read the sidenote
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I've said many times that I knew about the sidenote but that I wish she had explained what she was actually doing, as just the way she talked about it and stuff made it seem like she was making the story, so I thought she was actually making her own story but using content from the other manga thing.
>remodelSpoiler: sidenote (click to show/hide)
>remodelBecause remodel specifically means "I'm going to take the content from another manga and edit the images to suit our characters". ._.
>same structure, different characters
Because remodel specifically means "I'm going to take the content from another manga and edit the images to suit our characters". ._.It's all in the semantics. You can read whatever you want, but for me it's pretty clear what she meant.
It's all in the semantics. You can read whatever you want, but for me it's pretty clear what she meant.That's not really what I wanted to read, that's just not what I read ._..
That's not really what I wanted to read, that's just not what I read ._..Yeah sorry, people can't really just read what they want. I meant as in "you may have read that, but I'm pretty sure she meant otherwise."
Yeah sorry, people can't really just read what they want. I meant as in "you may have read that, but I'm pretty sure she meant otherwise."Alright lol.
(sowwy if I sound harsh, I'm trying not to)
I didn't mean it that way, I'm not a complete asshole ._..
yes you areNot... a total... asshole... :(
bitch
split this from op for referenceAgain, this either way.
Btw, I would love to see you continue the story purple as well as many people I've talked to :)
Again, this either way.