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I don't know what to think?
Shawn:
--- Quote from: Death M.D. on February 04, 2011, 10:39:43 AM ---In 2.3 billion years, humans won't be humans and would have evolved into something else :c
But the point is to have a self-sustaining ecosystem. Having to ship water to-and-from would be too much.
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I was just saying it would be a temp fix until we figured out how to make a water system... unless we were to bring lots of cacti i can't think of another way to renew water without shipments Lol
» Magic «:
--- Quote from: Shawn on February 04, 2011, 10:52:34 AM ---I was just saying it would be a temp fix until we figured out how to make a water system... unless we were to bring lots of cacti i can't think of another way to renew water without shipments Lol
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I don't get how this water shenanigan is going on like this
It's basically an infinite loop
You drink water, you piss it out, it gets cleansed, it gets released again, can be used again
It evaporates, goes into the clouds then rains it down again
You drink pepsi, which has water in it, piss it out, same as before
Infinite water, that's just how I've always seen it, I understand rivers running dry etc, but the water levels would stay the same, that water will have moved elsewhere in the world, such as seas or mountains again, then it starts a different river
Unless anybody can tell me why this theory is incorrect, I would like to see opinions
Dasadan2:
--- Quote from: » Magic « on February 04, 2011, 11:22:53 AM ---I don't get how this water shenanigan is going on like this
It's basically an infinite loop
You drink water, you piss it out, it gets cleansed, it gets released again, can be used again
It evaporates, goes into the clouds then rains it down again
You drink pepsi, which has water in it, piss it out, same as before
Infinite water, that's just how I've always seen it, I understand rivers running dry etc, but the water levels would stay the same, that water will have moved elsewhere in the world, such as seas or mountains again, then it starts a different river
Unless anybody can tell me why this theory is incorrect, I would like to see opinions
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You make a good point, but I think that people are more worried about the reduce in fresh water and rising salt water.
It's more about the speed of how the salt water can be 'Cleansed' into drinkable fresh water that has people worried.
Xrain:
--- Quote from: » Magic « on February 04, 2011, 11:22:53 AM ---I don't get how this water shenanigan is going on like this
It's basically an infinite loop
You drink water, you piss it out, it gets cleansed, it gets released again, can be used again
It evaporates, goes into the clouds then rains it down again
You drink pepsi, which has water in it, piss it out, same as before
Infinite water, that's just how I've always seen it, I understand rivers running dry etc, but the water levels would stay the same, that water will have moved elsewhere in the world, such as seas or mountains again, then it starts a different river
Unless anybody can tell me why this theory is incorrect, I would like to see opinions
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Indeed that is true, but cleansing water takes energy. This is provided by the sun and gravity on earth. The sun evaporates the water removing the contaminants lifting it up to the clouds adding a lot of potential energy to the water as well.
The potential energy is stored in the form of the distance from the surface of the earth as when it falls it gravity adds energy to the process. Once it hits the earth it seeps through soils and bedrock to further purify the water.
With enough energy anything is possible. We could even make water from scratch by fusing enough particles together to create oxygen, and then reacting it with hydrogen. This of course is not a very efficient process as to get a cup of water would take an astronomical amount of energy in our terms. But in theory anything is possible.
However your infinite water recirculation idea isn't quite 100% true, as we do lose i microscopic amount of water when its blown off along with a small amount of the atmosphere, as well as whenever we create rocket fuels, in some cases the hydrogen and oxygen is created by splitting up water (electrolyzing).
But rocket fuel is mostly made from natural gas Steam cracking to get hydrogen, and the oxygen is condensed out of the atmosphere :P
» Magic «:
--- Quote from: Xrain on February 04, 2011, 12:50:08 PM ---Indeed that is true, but cleansing water takes energy. This is provided by the sun and gravity on earth. The sun evaporates the water removing the contaminants lifting it up to the clouds adding a lot of potential energy to the water as well.
The potential energy is stored in the form of the distance from the surface of the earth as when it falls it gravity adds energy to the process. Once it hits the earth it seeps through soils and bedrock to further purify the water.
With enough energy anything is possible. We could even make water from scratch by fusing enough particles together to create oxygen, and then reacting it with hydrogen. This of course is not a very efficient process as to get a cup of water would take an astronomical amount of energy in our terms. But in theory anything is possible.
However your infinite water recirculation idea isn't quite 100% true, as we do lose i microscopic amount of water when its blown off along with a small amount of the atmosphere, as well as whenever we create rocket fuels, in some cases the hydrogen and oxygen is created by splitting up water (electrolyzing).
But rocket fuel is mostly made from natural gas Steam cracking to get hydrogen, and the oxygen is condensed out of the atmosphere :P
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Everytime you post I learn something from you lol
Yus I know about electrolyzing, Didn't think about the energy bit though
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