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Clarification of rules regarding killing out of suspicion
Tezuni:
--- Quote from: ursus on October 01, 2015, 09:55:53 PM ---Do you see the discrepancy here? Nevermind that you changed your analogy from Overwatch to kicking people in TTT, which are two other completely different things, but in that round you threatened to kick me for making a vaguely rude joke at worst. You even go completely silent in the video when Deathie calls you out on it, which tells me you're aware that it's unjustified and you don't care. You even shot me because of a false KoS from the traitor without asking a single question or checking any bodies, which is also completely opposite to the way you've been saying we should all play in this thread. It's really obvious that you making this thread has almost nothing to do with actual fairness, and more to do with you wanting to vindicate yourself after pushing the issue to an embarrassing extent.
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Everyone knows how blatantly rude you are, calling people "autists" constantly saying x person has x IQ level, etc. Quite frankly, you do deserve to be demoted from regular rank. Mono would have been more than justified to kick you. Nice short clip.
TehHank:
--- Quote from: Tezuni on October 02, 2015, 01:32:31 AM ---Everyone knows how blatantly rude you are, calling people "autists" constantly saying x person has x IQ level, etc. Quite frankly, you do deserve to be demoted from regular rank. Mono would have been more than justified to kick you. Nice short clip.
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I don't understand this logic, apparently everyone here takes Ursus' insults literally? what are we still in Kindergarten?
--- Quote from: Monorail Cat on October 01, 2015, 06:21:32 PM ---I believe that because of the fickle nature of this problem, here is my proposal for a solution: When someone kills a traitor under questionable circumstances, he should have to explain his reasoning, and the members present should decide whether or not it was a valid reason. If it was a valid enough reason, the subject may continue as is. However, if there was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE, the subject gets a warning. From then on during the session, if the subject breaks any rules or has another questionable kill reviewed as INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE, he gets kicked. If the subject returns and continues his/her pattern, they get a temporary ban, and so on.
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Jesus this isn't the court of law, you just need a bit of common sense to determine if killing a traitor without concrete proof is not RDM depending on the circumstances.
We are at a point where most people who play have played TTT so much, a sense of Paranoia sets in which we question everything other players do and acting on your own instincts isn't RDM. Of course blatantly crying out you thought it was them when you just went on a killing spree isn't the case, but now that I've firsthand experienced how some other players play the game nowadays, i enjoy this extra depth of mistrust. I'm more inclined to believe that monorail is asserting the game situation as if the server is full of fairly new TTT goers in which their instinct isn't as defined as a server filled with experienced players knowing each other.
And when was it relevant in the rules that being a douche bag is against the rules. I'm more inclined you think that a majority of people dislike Ursus to point in which everyone will breath a sigh of relief if you do actually kick him for a reason that doesn't make any sense.
I know we need to have rules, but remember this is still a game where people make mistakes. Applying more rules will just make the game more Robotic and uniform to the point where the games isn't fun.
Cable:
--- Quote from: TehHank on October 02, 2015, 03:02:59 AM ---And when was it relevant in the rules that being a douche bag is against the rules.
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Monorail Cat:
--- Quote from: ๖Ϝцzsioᴎ on October 01, 2015, 09:15:45 PM ---The way you worded it sounded like you straight up said "HE RDMED ME ADD RULE ABOUT THIS PLS" was just a tad silly. TTT is about taking risks, finding out who the traitor is, and who isn't.
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Sorry for the confusion, but I brought up this issue because this has been happening very frequently to not just me. I'm not discussing a single case about me being RDM'd.
--- Quote from: ursus on October 01, 2015, 09:55:53 PM ---Why do only innocents have to explain themselves?
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Usually, the killers of traitors are not other traitors.
--- Quote from: ursus on October 01, 2015, 09:55:53 PM ---Is our server a courtroom? You are literally suggesting to ban everyone and anyone who chooses to play the game on a more complex level than you'd like. If you were saying this because you want to crack down on ghosting, sure, but all I read here is "I don't like it when people play the game better than me, and the only way I can solve this problem is by punishing them outside of the game." Just make a conscious effort to be a smarter traitor.
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I'm not saying that it should be a "courtroom", I'm just saying that when someone gets killed under circumstances that people believe is questionable, the members decide whether or not the claim is reasonable evidence. This would prevent the server from having a clear-cut set of rules for these scenarios (which I agree, would make the game more "robotic" and stale), and it would leave it to the members present to determine the outcome. I believe this could be a good solution.
It's also a ludicrous claim that I am "suggesting to ban everyone and anyone who chooses to play the game on a more complex level than I'd like". There's nothing more I have to say about that.
I would also like to apologize for my wording in my previous post. I do not mean to suggest that this "review" takes any longer than a few seconds of discussion. The rest of that was pretty much the regular line of events if someone is breaking a rule.
And please stop bringing "skill" into this. I'm not irritated about people playing at what may be "a higher level" than mine, I'm irritated about being killed without good enough proof. Check my previous post where I discussed that issue.
--- Quote from: ursus on October 01, 2015, 09:55:53 PM ---It's a playstyle that's very obviously associated with me, and you're trying to get it outlawed because you'd rather change the rules of the game than adapt to it.
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I have adapted to it, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I usually try to avoid you as much as possible in-game, because I know you have correctly guessed the traitor before they do something traitorous several times.
--- Quote from: ursus on October 01, 2015, 09:55:53 PM ---Spoiler: video (click to show/hide)
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I was threatening to kick you because you had been taunting me and Tezuni for several rounds (not just that one in the video), antagonizing us, even saying at some points that you would RDM me, which I considered to be breaking the rule disrespecting other players.
Monorail Cat:
--- Quote from: TehHank on October 02, 2015, 03:02:59 AM ---I'm more inclined to believe that monorail is asserting the game situation as if the server is full of fairly new TTT goers in which their instinct isn't as defined as a server filled with experienced players knowing each other.
I know we need to have rules, but remember this is still a game where people make mistakes. Applying more rules will just make the game more Robotic and uniform to the point where the games isn't fun.
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I admit that when caught up with this ordeal, I was worried about new players being repelled by harsh gameplay, but it's really pretty negligible.
I also agree with the fact that too many rules make the game more "robotic". Refer to my previous post.
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