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Same Sex Marriage Made Legal in all 50 States by Supreme Court

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Sabb:

--- Quote from: Prox on June 28, 2015, 02:41:08 AM ---If someone doesn't support gay marriage then he's bigoted... Why are you repeating the same thing that many liberals like to say?

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I'm not saying everyone who's against gay marriage is bigoted but in many cases yea I would certainly say so. Especially in the case you explained that homosexuals can't have children and that marriage is supposed to be religious etc therefore it's pointless for homosexuals. It's not that black and white. There's no reason they shouldn't be treated like every other person. Marriage is hardly at all a religious thing any more and is an irrelevant factor especially because there are religious homosexuals. I have more experience with a huge variety of different religious groups than you know. Mainly with Jehovah's witnesses which are one of the groups that follow the bible most strictly word by word. In my experience, even few of them are exempt from stretching or breaking rules when it suits them. But ironically I know a family of Witnesses which fell apart because of their religion which started when one of their younger sons turned out to be a homosexual. He was then ex-communicated and no longer allowed to speak to any of his friends or family or vice versa, yet he was actually one of the ones of most strictly believed and followed their ways aside from a factor he couldn't control. There are good people who happen to turn out this way, him being one of them. Why should anyone be allowed to discriminate him from something he even now so seriously respects (marriage) when religion has done so little for him already, and especially when marriage is in few people's cases a religious act? This isn't the 1800's, people need to adapt to the developments of our time and let go unnecessary traditions, especially when they're excluding and even harming people.

Trust me I could write a book as long as the bible about this stuff and all the never ending flaws in opinions similar to what you're expressing.

Prox:

--- Quote from: Sabb on June 28, 2015, 06:17:43 AM --- Especially in the case you explained that homosexuals can't have children and that marriage is supposed to be religious etc therefore it's pointless for homosexuals.

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I didn't said that marriage is supposed to be religious, what I've said is that it was created by religion. The fact that homosexuals can't have children is a valid point tho, however people with different political beliefs will argue that.


--- Quote from: Sabb on June 28, 2015, 06:17:43 AM ---There's no reason they shouldn't be treated like every other person.

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Are they not? The only thing that might prevent them is their own obnoxiousness about being gay, their parades etc. Although it is a well known fact that there was and there always will be people who will act aggressively towards someone who's different then them and introducing a few extra laws won't change them.


--- Quote from: Sabb on June 28, 2015, 06:17:43 AM ---Marriage is hardly at all a religious thing any more and is an irrelevant factor especially because there are religious homosexuals.

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That doesn't change anything.


--- Quote from: Sabb on June 28, 2015, 06:17:43 AM --- He was then ex-communicated and no longer allowed to speak to any of his friends or family or vice versa, yet he was actually one of the ones of most strictly believed and followed their ways aside from a factor he couldn't control. There are good people who happen to turn out this way, him being one of them. Why should anyone be allowed to discriminate him from something he even now so seriously respects (marriage) when religion has done so little for him already, and especially when marriage is in few people's cases a religious act?

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I guess it's unfortunate that his parents were like that. Now if he really does follow the religion as strictly as you say then he should know what's said there about marriage.


--- Quote from: Sabb on June 28, 2015, 06:17:43 AM ---This isn't the 1800's, people need to adapt to the developments of our time and let go unnecessary traditions, especially when they're excluding and even harming people.

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Right, and globalization and liberalization is a good thing that is happening all by it self. Except for the fact that media, social networks and even the most influential governments(USA being one of the leading force) in the western world are promoting cultural marxist ideas. Nobody can deny the fact that those kind of ideas receive big and I mean really fucking big funding from all sorts of multinationals and government institutions. Borders are being erased, gaps between races, cultures and even genders are forcefully being removed. Slowly, step by step it is happening along with liberals suggesting more and more radical ideas. The fact that these kind of ideas are funded obviously point to an assumption that there is a reason behind it. Believing that so much money is being spent to achieve a "tolerant society free of hate" as some liberals like to put it is more then just naive.
Evaluating the current political context it becomes more and more clear that homosexual marriage is just one small step in this agenda which gives me yet another reason to oppose it.
 
Back on topic, today the marriage is obviously not as religious and not as important as it was once. What people think of that is all up to them but what it seems to me is that during that period the divorce rates have also increased drastically and I do believe it is directly correlated to how important people view marriage. Essentially the marriage should turn into a some sort of civil union act. Perhaps instead of that we could have marriage for man and woman and civil union acts for homosexuals? I've yet to decide on that since it's obviously not the most important thing I'm interested at the moment.


--- Quote from: Sabb on June 28, 2015, 06:17:43 AM ---Trust me I could write a book as long as the bible about this stuff and all the never ending flaws in opinions similar to what you're expressing.

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I think that's quite arrogant of you to say.

Astropilot:
Good on them, but if they start getting touchy and everything; media without gay marriage showing, games without gay marriage options, etc, I think it would hinder their public display contrast to how they dis-hinder their clothing in parades.

TehHank:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFzLd8EK3sU#

I just enjoy reading on about all these counter arguments to the recent news in same sex marriage. I don't think its wise for me to support either side now, for or against as both sides have their pros and cons.

Lazer Blade:

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