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Bringing back Annonyboard
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on September 04, 2013, 04:08:15 AM ---Well then let them have their fun, if they are like that then who cares? Of course the chances are great that at the moment of AB revival there will be much of that but I don't see it lasting for too long.
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The people on the opposing side, clearly.
--- Quote from: Prox on September 04, 2013, 04:08:15 AM ---Of course you can say whatever you want, but if you care about the community and other people which is usually the case, that just isn't going to happen. People will worry about consequences and even if they speak, they will censor themselves as much as possible, so that in itself is a very positive thing that anonymity, it solves that problem.
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My opinion on this is based off of what actually happened, and how likely I see it reoccurring. I don't see where your opinion is coming from, however.
In the past what I said was absolutely the case and no one did worry about consequences because there were none, and won't be any. Unless you mean having the board removed, which I wouldn't consider much of a consequence.
However I do believe I've mentioned that I don't care much if ab is back as much as I would have previously because I agree with you to an extent. I don't really think it would be nearly as bad as it was before because of key contributers who are no longer around. At the same time I don't doubt that a number of those people would frequent the board even though they're not involved in rnd if they heard about it being back. In fact I've heard from at least one person who may not have been the best influence on the board that they would do so even though they're not a part of rnd. But still, if no one pays attention to it then it wouldn't be a problem. I don't think people will be willing to do that once they're being gossiped about though.
Tezuni:
--- Quote from: Prox on September 04, 2013, 04:08:15 AM ---If someone can't stand negative environment on the Internet because "muh feelings" then I believe they should work on that, negative environment is inevitable on the Internet. They could also just simply stay away from such places if possible.
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A negative environment isn't inevitable when administrated. You need personal accountability for that to happen though.
The people that are negative need to work out their own problems, not the victims.
I've never used the board myself, but I have seen nothing good come of it.
Prox:
--- Quote from: Sabb on September 04, 2013, 11:30:43 AM ---The people on the opposing side, clearly.
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I can't understand whats the big deal about having someone on the Internet saying bad things about you especially if they are just false accusations that serve no other purpose but just "fuck around" .
--- Quote from: Sabb on September 04, 2013, 11:30:43 AM ---My opinion on this is based off of what actually happened, and how likely I see it reoccurring. I don't see where your opinion is coming from, however.
In the past what I said was absolutely the case and no one did worry about consequences because there were none, and won't be any. Unless you mean having the board removed, which I wouldn't consider much of a consequence.
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So you're saying that people did not learned anything from it, did not improved in any way and that some are just as careless and others just as easy to offend as they were 2 years ago? Looking back at the past events on AB and assuming that similar things would happen now, I just can't imagine them being nearly as bad now even if the comments would be even worse which is pretty difficult to imagine.
--- Quote from: Sabb on September 04, 2013, 11:30:43 AM ---At the same time I don't doubt that a number of those people would frequent the board even though they're not involved in rnd if they heard about it being back. In fact I've heard from at least one person who may not have been the best influence on the board that they would do so even though they're not a part of rnd. But still, if no one pays attention to it then it wouldn't be a problem. I don't think people will be willing to do that once they're being gossiped about though.
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Well that doesn't sound too good although I wouldn't jump on the conclusion that it would make a significant difference.
--- Quote from: Tezuni on September 04, 2013, 11:47:51 AM ---A negative environment isn't inevitable when administrated. You need personal accountability for that to happen though.
The people that are negative need to work out their own problems, not the victims.
I've never used the board myself, but I have seen nothing good come of it.
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You call the people who got offend by AB victims? They do not deserve to be called victims, I mean this isn't even a significant enough case for them to be refereed as victims. People who get killed in videogames could also be referred as victims then too. I mean look at this: they didn't get hurt, they did not lost anything of value and their reputation was not harmed for the most part as the more of such negative comments were made on the AB the more of credibility the board lost. The only thing that could have gotten hurt was their feelings. By not much. Personally I think this is like a cyber-bullying but to a much lesser extent and the fact that people just can't turn off the damn screen to avoid that, I mean it's ridiculous, not only they annoy themselves but by caring they even encourage those who want to fuck around and just don't care in general.
As regarding to the moderation of the board itself, I'm rather skeptical about that. I do not have the confidence that negative posts that refer to someone or something in particular wouldn't just constantly get removed even if they had legitimate content but then again I think we need to decide if we're going to bring this board back first, then we could talk about things like moderation.
Tezuni:
--- Quote from: Prox on September 04, 2013, 12:33:18 PM ---You call the people who got offend by AB victims? They do not deserve to be called victims, I mean this isn't even a significant enough case for them to be refereed as victims. People who get killed in videogames could also be referred as victims then too. I mean look at this: they didn't get hurt, they did not lost anything of value and their reputation was not harmed for the most part as the more of such negative comments were made on the AB the more of credibility the board lost. The only thing that could have gotten hurt was their feelings. By not much. Personally I think this is like a cyber-bullying but to a much lesser extent and the fact that people just can't turn off the damn screen to avoid that, I mean it's ridiculous, not only they annoy themselves but by caring they even encourage those who want to fuck around and just don't care in general.
As regarding to the moderation of the board itself, I'm rather skeptical about that. I do not have the confidence that negative posts that refer to someone or something in particular wouldn't just constantly get removed even if they had legitimate content but then again I think we need to decide if we're going to bring this board back first, then we could talk about things like moderation.
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I'm just pointing out flaws in your argument, not refering to any particular group here. To blame people for getting bullied and then taking offense is fundamentally wrong.
It's best not to provide an environment where those things happen.
I'm interested in hearing more posotives instead "people should just deal with it" or similar "ignore-it" type philosophies.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on September 04, 2013, 12:33:18 PM ---I can't understand whats the big deal about having someone on the Internet saying bad things about you especially if they are just false accusations that serve no other purpose but just "fuck around" .So you're saying that people did not learned anything from it, did not improved in any way and that some are just as careless and others just as easy to offend as they were 2 years ago? Looking back at the past events on AB and assuming that similar things would happen now, I just can't imagine them being nearly as bad now even if the comments would be even worse which is pretty difficult to imagine.
Well that doesn't sound too good although I wouldn't jump on the conclusion that it would make a significant difference.
You call the people who got offend by AB victims? They do not deserve to be called victims, I mean this isn't even a significant enough case for them to be refereed as victims. People who get killed in videogames could also be referred as victims then too. I mean look at this: they didn't get hurt, they did not lost anything of value and their reputation was not harmed for the most part as the more of such negative comments were made on the AB the more of credibility the board lost. The only thing that could have gotten hurt was their feelings. By not much. Personally I think this is like a cyber-bullying but to a much lesser extent and the fact that people just can't turn off the damn screen to avoid that, I mean it's ridiculous, not only they annoy themselves but by caring they even encourage those who want to fuck around and just don't care in general.
As regarding to the moderation of the board itself, I'm rather skeptical about that. I do not have the confidence that negative posts that refer to someone or something in particular wouldn't just constantly get removed even if they had legitimate content but then again I think we need to decide if we're going to bring this board back first, then we could talk about things like moderation.
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You seem to often miss the whole point of what I'm saying. I said that I don't think re-adding ab would be a big deal but I don't think it'd be worth it either, and I've stated that many times. You're exaggerating what I'm saying or refusing to acknowledge it.
The whole point of this is that no, it's not the end of the world clearly, but people shouldn't have to deal with it when there's in my opinion (as well as others) absolutely no benefit to it. Especially when it's just more work for coolz to add it back only for it to possibly be removed again.
I would like to know why ab is so important for this thread to have to come up nearly every month though... By now I would have expected people to drop it with all the constant conversations on this just for it to get denied once again. I view ab as a pretty minor addition if that, don't you?
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