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Tezuni:
Saying you have nothing to hide or its to protect us from terrorism are pretty bad arguments.  I don't want a drone flying over my head.  Just the other day a crashed drone that made a huge explosion was on the news.  This was in the US, and luckily nobody was close enough to get hurt, but it was filmed by someone nearby.  And drones aren't going to save you from terrorists.  If mass surveillance, (which has been going on since Bush) or drones worked, we wouldn't know the name Tsarnaev.  You should never be willing to give up privacy for 'security', especially when it doesn't work.  Also, America isn't the only country targeting by terrorism.  Spain, france, etc.  They're OK.  We don't need drones.  And you shouldn't want them.

Monorail Cat:
Yeah, the way you guys put it, that made a bit more sense to me.   It's too easy to show myself as an idiot.  Maybe I'll stop posting when I'm sleeping on the keyboard.  XD

Xrain:
For the record drone (they are called Unmanned Ariel Systems (UASs)) use in the US for the most part is not for spying on people, or shooting at terrorists. I personally don't really agree with using UAS's to missile people in foreign countries.

I have personal experience with civilian use of UASs. The primary use I've seen personally for them is monitoring seals and other animals, and not monitoring people. They are handy since 1. They are quiet enough not to scare away all the seals (vs. a Super Cub flying at 100 ft.) 2. They are substantially safer, since the places seals hang out are near cliffs and such (places you don't want to fly a Super Cub at 100ft; 3. They are substantially cheaper to purchase and operate to achieve the same end product. It's frustrating since military use of them is a pretty small usage overall (look at the slide show it quotes 5% for military usage) and it gets so much attention that everyone assumes that people for who want to use them all want to do is spy on you sunning yourself naked in your yard and missileing people.

So I don't think it would be useful banning these systems since there is such a large potential for them to do good and useful things. Banning them would be like banning all white box vans because the CIA might use one as a surveillance van. Yes they will get abused by some people, just like every other single creation made by man (see Oculus Rift thread), so that's not really a good enough reason to dismiss them out of hand.

Also all of the kinds of surveillance that can be done with a UAS can also be done with existing technology. Like going to the top of hills to look in your yard, or helicopters.

Prox:
There is no doubt about usefulness of a drone and I too don't think they should be banned. It's not the use of drones in general that I disagree with it's their use in such things as spying on citizens.

Tezuni:
A little background on drone history:

Defense contractors make billions off the drone industry each year, it's just another tool that is used in war.  Companies like Lockheed Martin profit off war.

There's a huge motive to make armed drones, that have already killed hundreds of children, civilians, and even a few american citizens overseas.


It's great technology, but the potential and underlying motive for abuse is just too great.

Call me paranoid, but I don't have any faith in drones over American skies, ever.     

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