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Crit Nick's appeal
Prox:
I recommend to unban him. Looking back at those times before his ban his attitude was nothing like this, it seems that he got serious and he has serious intentions to become a part of the community. As for ban-evasion, it isn't a big deal if he used it for an official apology to the whole community after what he have done years or maybe months ago, it surely doesn't seem to me that he did it to cause trouble, but in-case the time will show the otherwise, he will be re-banned.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Death M.D. on November 28, 2012, 07:21:34 PM ---He came back a few months ago and still acted like a complete retard.
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And he's doing the exact opposite now. That alone should stand for something.
--- Quote from: †KHMarie† on November 28, 2012, 06:40:04 PM ---I am going to
From what I've seen and heard, you just aren't ready for this yet. Besides you had the opportunity to ask an admin before making this new account, so your excuse for not doing so and evading is not in any form justifiable. I think you should have handled this in a more responsible manner and if you were truly sorry you would have gone out of your way to do so. I will leave it at that.
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I don't think this is a valid reason to have the appeal denied either. I'm mainly only quoting this because it's Snivy's reason too apparently. What problem does him evading the ban to post an appeal cause? None, really. If he asked an admin to post something for him or something like that maybe that would have been a bit better as far as being formal or w.e but I see no reason for that to be necessary. He also did actually talk to me before posting the appeal and I simply told him to do so. If he was posting something that required admin action that would be a different situation, but he's not. He simply made a thread mentioning that he's back and answering questions, and then an appeal.
As far as him not changing, I've said my opinion on that enough obviously so I just hope what I'm saying is actually being read. I just think that the fact that he can very very easily be re-banned and the fact that his action of coming back in a decent manner (in my opinion) outweighs the opposing side of the argument. So I'll just leave it at that since it's now just based solely off opinion for that.
Xrain:
I talked to him breifly, and from our interation I can believe he likely wouldn't resort to harassment that he did originally.
You do seem to be friends with Sabb, and Sabb seem to believe that you would now make a good member of the community. Sabb was put into his position because of trust in his judgement.
If Sabb would be willing to take responsibility for you (Think probation officer) and your actions, I would be agreeable with you being unbanned.
However, this has caveats for Sabb; he would be responsible for any future transgressions you would make, meaning he would be the one to have to ban/punish you, and also take a hit if you do get banned again. If there ever was a case were one of the other admins had to step in; it would be... problematic.
Basically what I am saying is, Sabb if you are willing to put your reputation on the line for CritNick; as you believe he won't cause a future situation. Then I am more than willing to trust your judgement and agree to having him unbanned.
Otherwise I would say wait on the unban.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Xrain on November 29, 2012, 04:40:01 PM ---I talked to him breifly, and from our interation I can believe he likely wouldn't resort to harassment that he did originally.
You do seem to be friends with Sabb, and Sabb seem to believe that you would now make a good member of the community. Sabb was put into his position because of trust in his judgement.
If Sabb would be willing to take responsibility for you (Think probation officer) and your actions, I would be agreeable with you being unbanned.
However, this has caveats for Sabb; he would be responsible for any future transgressions you would make, meaning he would be the one to have to ban/punish you, and also take a hit if you do get banned again. If there ever was a case were one of the other admins had to step in; it would be... problematic.
Basically what I am saying is, Sabb if you are willing to put your reputation on the line for CritNick; as you believe he won't cause a future situation. Then I am more than willing to trust your judgement and agree to having him unbanned.
Otherwise I would say wait on the unban.
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Of course, I basically already am putting my reputation on the line. Of course I wouldn't go as far as "if he gets in trouble you'll be demoted too," however. But yes, I do truly think he won't be a problem any longer.
And I'd be quite happy to be the one to take action if needed. It gets too messy when admins start interfering, so I'd sure be willing to be the one responsible for him.
Prox:
Why put Sabb at risk for actions that are not up to his will? After all, he isn't the only one supporting Crit's appeal. And think about it this way, what if CritNick truly has intentions to mess around again? In that case CritNick would have more possibilities to inflict harm to the community by not only violating rules but also taking away Sabb's rank. I just don't see why this whole thing is necessary when it is clearly so damn easy to just re-ban him.
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