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pyrosheep:
--- Quote from: whagman on October 01, 2012, 05:25:51 PM ---What's your beef with hideo man? Every topic i see him post on you post talking shit on him. pls explain
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I don't have a problem with him ingame, but on the forums he just acts like an idiot.
Deacon:
--- Quote from: HideoKojima on October 01, 2012, 01:54:18 PM ---To be fair though, you got your stuff a year ago. :p And maybe the L4D2 thing wasn't even there? I can't really comment on that since I wasn't there. It could be different now but I honestly wouldn't know.
* L4D2 Thing? Does this kind of bullshit go around with you guys on the servers? We play L4D2 together because we are all friends. We have been for (some of us) years now. This isn't new, and L4D2 has nothing to do with promotions. Its just friends playing a game, and if you don't believe me, thats on you. Do not try to jab at things you are not certain are true. You end up looking like Mitt Romney.
I understand all of that, and I'm all for that they should have fun. But isn't getting a VIP a sign that you have a little duty towards the servers? I mean months of being active maybe they should be demoted because there are others who deserve it a lot more. Yes, I know that the amount of VIP is not limited at all, but with there being less VIPs I imagine they would be more open to get more VIPs. Hope that makes some kind of sense, I wasn't sure how to properly word that lol.
* You said it yourself. The amount of VIPs are not limited at all. But we do not promote players we do not think can handle it, players that we do not know well, players we don't feel we can trust, etc.
Also, we used to demote based on inactivity. They all reapplied and were accepted again, so we no longer do that. If we had problems with those VIPs, demotions are discussed as they are about every other player.
>spend time with VIPs
>get promoted
Sounds about right. I just want to point out a BS part on your end. "Everyone agrees and that person lives up to their role." No, not everyone. Only VIPs, so those are the ONLY people you need to win approval from. I really wish regulars got a say in VIP and ADMIN applications. I mean are they not also part of the server? They make up most of it, I think they should get a say in what happens. As Dark pointed out, some people change when VIPs are around. Maybe they are the best person in the world when a VIP is around but when they leave, they change. So obviously to VIPs they look great, but maybe not to regulars. But that doesn't matter, there is no need to win the regulars approval. It's only the VIPs that matter after all when trying to go for VIP.
* Up until a short time ago, VIPs couldn't even post on other VIPs applications. It was all admin only. Coolz agreed to let us discuss the promotions publicly to help relieve some of that pressure from the few active admins we have left. That being said, you can, at any time, message any VIP or Admin with your concerns about an applicant. That is why they are posted publicly. That is a decision that coolz has made, and is not likely to change without his doing.
As for your second post, I don't have much to say as it was pretty much just a jab towards me, though I can't be bitter towards that seeing as I did the same with my L4D2 comment in the previous post lol.
Though I will talk about the 2-3 weeks thing you tried to mention. No, the people have been inactive for months on the servers.
* See above.
Not sure why you said names, but meh your call. I don't have proof. It was months ago. I could get back up from other people maybe, but I don't recall who was in the games, as it was months ago. Also I have no reason to lie. It does me no good, it benefits me in no way.
Towards your spoiler.
I agree to it all. Which is exactly why more people should become VIP, which has been happening but a lot of the people being selected aren't even very active, which is why I bugged the shit out of Kahuana to sign up for VIP lol.
And you are right, I'll eventually grow bored of the game, but I'd like to make the game as enjoyable as possible for me and to others until that time happens.
* I understand your point, but you have to understand as well; We will never have enough trusted members to see everything that occurs. We won't be able to keep up with every single RDM, every accused ghoster, hacker, traitor-buddy giveaway, spammer, namechanger, DDOSer, and scripter. It just can't happen. The only way you can try to keep the game enjoyable is to take action the ways that you can; Calling admins, calling VIPs, working with your fellow players to write reports, etc. There will always be a time when there are no VIPs online, and you will have to deal with it the same way then. Why not now?
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Dark Pacifist:
Well we could rant on and on about how noone can control every event, that alot of the vips are inactive, or that there are prospective options that haven't been ironed out but it wont get us anywhere. Even my idea of making a sub reg rank with votekick added has it's own issues (mostly due to people who insta vote yes)... But this is an ideas thread of what might help quell the influx of idiots kinda... in my view atleast. It's not that anyone's opinion is right or wrong it's that we may have to start looking at what's the most controllable option assuming it gets worse.
a little rant:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)The issue I've seen all too often and I bet the majority has as well is that either the server gets overrun with so many ranked players that people start getting banned senselessly or players are promoted who abuse the hell out of their powers for shits and giggles when noone that would report/punish them are around. Trust isn't the only issue at these points but rather whose better suited and most responsible. People like me are the exact definition of what you don't want being promoted in general my kinds fine and suitable but trouble happens easily when likeminded people become involved. I'll admit that in 2 servers I've been lucky I came in near the servers start and enforced rules loosely by these standards earning ranks when they existed but here we have plenty of active players who know what to do when people come on breaking rules.
Dont complain that you cant do anything about problems cause on this server you're lucky enough that anyone can via reporting/ calling someone in I dont know how many servers I've gotten mad at for setting the bar so low that any derpy idiot can become admin without knowing how to enforce rules/ think for themselves. Or just having literaly 2 rules don't hack and don't ddos. Sure alot of these servers are chill but they empty out fast when minges join/ "admins" (retards with power is more like it) abuse.
As regs your job is kinda to call vip's/ admins over to handle ongoing issues and be ready to report the user in question should it be necessary. example: vip's/ admins not responding or offline = get proof and report. If they are available get proof and be ready to show proof if necessary.
As Vip's it really comes down to deciding whether whats happening warrants your capabilities if it requires greater get proof, make report, and voteban player. Usually repeat offenders and problem causers. Hackers, ghosters, and ddosers are upper tier work meaning get proof contact admin and report.
Castle:
--- Quote from: pyrosheep on October 01, 2012, 12:59:56 PM ---what's that supposed to mean?
Also Hideo, I know you're just trying to help out the server and everything by applying for VIP, but you aren't the one for the job. Don't turn this thread into your "I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR VIP OMG IM IN THE TOP 10 ARE YOU KIDDING ME" thread.
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It was a joke and you're right about Hideo.
๖Ϝцzsioᴎ:
--- Quote from: pyrosheep on October 01, 2012, 02:51:16 PM ---Yeah no it's a fact.
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*facedesk*
You're being stupid as me
Never
Be
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Stupid.
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