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Ban Appeal--Being screwed by the man
Deathie:
--- Quote from: Shockah on March 22, 2012, 05:24:26 PM ---Because people like Dark get mad when he first bloods them with VIABLE REASON,
Want to know why I slayed him shortly before his ban? I shot a vent. That's it. Five seconds into the round. He started claiming I was trying to kill him, even though I hadn't damaged him at all and killed me for it. If this is a "viable reason", I'd honestly like to see what a illegitimate one is.
and besides why are you even complaining Dark the amount of times you've revenge rdm'd him after he killed you for just reason (you didn't see it as just) are innumerable it's ridiculous that you're judging him on his actions when you seem so eager to take the law in to your own hands by breaking the law yourself.
Stop trying to deflect the issue at hand. This has absolutely nothing to do with Dark. If you have a problem with him, make a report about it and bring substantial evidence. Going "oh Dark is just trying to get him banned because he doesn't like him" is stupid. Stone is just deceiving you. You're confusing good logic and intelligence with him just him pulling up some random excuse for his RDM. "When he walked past me and looked at me with a shotgun, that was really traitorous so I killed him" is not a valid reason.
Clearly enough support of stone has arrisen to show that earlier statements of are not entirely correct.
So far, I've only seen one reputable members somewhat support him, or was at least against my decision, but far more who feel he still deserves at least a month ban for it. I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I won't unban him until I see someone bring up a valid reason (and be able to back it) that he's actually a good player and does more good than harm. If another admins wants to lift the ban, that's on him. I'm standing on my position unless someone is able to convince me otherwise.
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And again, he's only banned for 2-3 months until the official servers come up. Apparently, he only started acting like this once the temp servers came online, so it's a pretty rational assumption that he'll stop when the official servers are back up, right?
Sorry if it seems like I'm starting to lose my cool. It's just sad that whenever I actually ban someone that's, y'know, a problem, there always seems to be people who are completely against it and feel that I'm a horrible person. The first page and a half of this thread was people going "Oh well then ban these people if you're going to ban stone".
All I want to do is what's best for you guys, the community. I just think when you've been putting up with him for so long, it becomes difficult to tell what's bad and what's good. That's why I'm asking for some sort of proof that he's a good player, becuase I keep hoping you'll realize what kind of a person he really is if you do. Theoretically, it should be really easy to do that if he's a reputable person, right? Hell, if you re-read the OP, he contradicts about half of the positive stuff you've said about him.
Fuck. I'm just starting to go off into a tangent, and this is turning into a shitty half-thought out response. Read it how you will, just know that I (at least try) to have your best interest at heart. If you really want this guy back on the servers, just show me. Show me why you like him so much, and why the servers wouldn't be the same (for the worse) without him.
Shockah:
--- Quote from: Dark Pacifist on March 22, 2012, 06:46:11 PM ---lol thanks shockah him shooting me for opening a door, being afk near him at round start and walking past him at random times are most definitely justified reasons.
Him killing people while they're reading the f1 "how to" guide (after being told to) (aka. afk) and then claiming they either shot him or followed him is most certainly acceptable as well.
I'm not saying that he deserves this beyond a doubt. I'm saying that he did deserve a "ban" for him continuing these actions after being warned against /kicked over it repeatedly then continuing after the kicker leaves then raging whoever kicked him publicly ingame while doing exactly what he was kicked for.
And Shocka you know one example right off: Stone minge rdming fuzion because "he's a faggot" or do you chose what you remember. After all you kicked him for it and he still continued until Fuzion changed his name.
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--- Quote from: Snivy M.D. on March 22, 2012, 07:14:10 PM --- And again, he's only banned for 2-3 months until the official servers come up. Apparently, he only started acting like this once the temp servers came online, so it's a pretty rational assumption that he'll stop when the official servers are back up, right?
Sorry if it seems like I'm starting to lose my cool. It's just sad that whenever I actually ban someone that's, y'know, a problem, there always seems to be people who are completely against it and feel that I'm a horrible person. The first page and a half of this thread was people going "Oh well then ban these people if you're going to ban stone".
All I want to do is what's best for you guys, the community. I just think when you've been putting up with him for so long, it becomes difficult to tell what's bad and what's good. That's why I'm asking for some sort of proof that he's a good player, becuase I keep hoping you'll realize what kind of a person he really is if you do. Theoretically, it should be really easy to do that if he's a reputable person, right? Hell, if you re-read the OP, he contradicts about half of the positive stuff you've said about him.
Fuck. I'm just starting to go off into a tangent, and this is turning into a shitty half-thought out response. Read it how you will, just know that I (at least try) to have your best interest at heart. If you really want this guy back on the servers, just show me. Show me why you like him so much, and why the servers wouldn't be the same (for the worse) without him.
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You're right I did and do you know what Fuzion was doing? Being disrespectful as hell towards him both before and after, I contemplated not kicking stone because of that I specifically told fuzion to stop being disrespectful and he didn't, stone gets a lot of shit from a lot of people and I understand him doing what he did, does that mean he didn't deserve to be punished? No, and if you remember correctly I kicked stone because he karma farmed afterwards not because he rdm'd alone it was the combination and the fact that the server was full that lead to that. Snivy you're absolutely correct about the dark dilemna I shouldn't be talking about that here, myself and pilot have given you reasons as to why he's a good player what proof do we have of this? How can we obtain proof of someone being a good player, I play with him every damn day what am I suppose to screenshot peoples kindness, and no it has nothing to do with the temp servers whoever told you that, spoke wrong he has always held the same playstyle so what's the solution then perma ban? I completely understand you being fired up and know that I take nothing to heart as should you, clearly you feel passionately about this as do I and it's all in the sake of making a point.
Frank:
--- Quote from: Shockah on March 22, 2012, 03:34:56 PM ---Karma farming is borderline not even a rule, what matters is what he did before karma farming and I believe that's why it's a rule in the first place so people can't get away with rdming entirely even if they get away with it punishment wise, fact of the matter is he doesn't rdm, just because that person hasn't acted yet doesn't make it rdm, and karma farming is a minor offense shouldn't be bannable in the first place and if so for a week TOPS even after doing it so many times it does not warrant a 1-2 month ban.
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Karma farming is absolutely minor. But hey, check this out:
suppose you own a shop.
Suppose a guy always comes to your shop, and steals a bar of chocolate worth 2 dollars.
And he comes often. Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaally often. Like, everyday. Sometimes, twice a day.
And he does this for a month. Wouldn't you kick the guy the fuck out of your store and forbid him from ever coming again?
Fenix:
Just to add a LITTLE more why he is banned for a while: Whitehouse, it's the temp servers. I am calling the elevator and have a deagle out. I look at stone's head (I was a traitor, he had no proof on me) for about 2 seconds and he blasts my head off. Next: I walk into a room he was in for 5 seconds and he blasts me. Yet again, on the temp servers. Plenty of other instances that are too vague for me to remember, but those are the clearest.
Kahuna:
He does that often and his response is usually " you were acting like a traitor" but still the duration of the ban is a bit long. I think it needs to be reduced to 1-2 weeks.
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