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is the war on terror a winnable war?
Shawn:
--- Quote from: Xrain on December 09, 2011, 11:55:45 AM ---Friendly Fire is a fact of war. It happens
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And it would happen less if some people didn't disregard hold fire orders.
it's incidents like this that gets me upset, lives could've been saved if they followed their orders.
IE: The Tarnak Farm incident.
--- Quote ---When your flight lead warned you to "make sure it's not friendlies" and the Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft controller directed you to "stand by" and later to "hold fire," you should have marked the location with your targeting pod. Thereafter, if you believed, as you stated, you and your leader were threatened, you should have taken a series of evasive actions and remained at a safe distance to await further instructions from AWACS. Instead, you closed on the target and blatantly disobeyed the direction to "hold fire." Your failure to follow that order is inexcusable. I do not believe you acted in defense of Major Umbach or yourself. Your actions indicate that you used your self-defense declaration as a pretext to strike a target, which you rashly decided was an enemy firing position, and about which you had exhausted your patience in waiting for clearance from the Combined Air Operations Center to engage. You used the inherent right of self-defense as an excuse to wage your own war.
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blαh2355:
--- Quote from: Shawn on December 09, 2011, 07:14:54 PM ---And it would happen less if some people didn't disregard hold fire orders.
it's incidents like this that gets me upset, lives could've been saved if they followed their orders.
IE: The Tarnak Farm incident.
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My god, such stupidity... if it was a SAM launch, then wouldn't the plane have some kind of warning or beeping saying that he's locked on and is being fired upon?
Xrain:
--- Quote from: Shawn on December 09, 2011, 07:14:54 PM ---And it would happen less if some people didn't disregard hold fire orders.
it's incidents like this that gets me upset, lives could've been saved if they followed their orders.
IE: The Tarnak Farm incident.
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Indeed, I agree with you entirely. But, your original post still remains quite a bit harsh. It seems like the Tarnak Farm incident was the case of a cocky pilot more than just a little bit war hungry.
The military is like any other group of people, there are great people, there are most of the people, and there are assholes. The situation of what happened with your countrymen is just all around horrible. But is it really fair to characterize everyone else in the US military as assholes who just want to shoot everything. They media seems to try and do their best to make it seem that way, and in some cases it does actually happen and when it does it's magnified due to the power of the arms used.
We have come along way to reducing unwanted casualties of civilians and events of friendly fire, with more precise munitions and much better information gathering, but it's still not perfect, and probably never will be.
But in the end, there really is nothing good about war, its just two groups of people out to kill each other for differences in opinion, so no matter how you slice it, it will always be a terrible thing. But for the events and the climate that surrounded the start of the war, it did make a lot of sense, even if it was our own damn fault that we set up Afghanistan in that way. However if it's still relevant now... I'd say its more of a catch-22 where if we pull out we will lose pretty much everything that people died for, however if we stay more people will die with no clear end in sight.
One of my very best Friends is currently deployed in Kandahar, Afghanistan. So honestly I'd say stay for a year or so more, and try and get things calmed down. And if they do great, it's a good opportunity to get out of there, otherwise it would probably be the point of diminishing returns where further fighting wont do much, so get out of there anyway.
Shawn:
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Nemisous:
--- Quote from: blah2355 on December 09, 2011, 09:04:51 PM ---My god, such stupidity... if it was a SAM launch, then wouldn't the plane have some kind of warning or beeping saying that he's locked on and is being fired upon?
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indeed they do, they have a censer that alerts the pilot when a missile is locked on, but im not sure if it works with SAMs it think they are laser guided.
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