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Title: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cable on November 12, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
I'm having an aguement with a friend.

If not a single thing on the earth had eyes, Would color exist?

If not a single thing on earth had ears, Would sound exist?

I'm telling my friend that No, It would not exist.
Sound is a vibration traveling in the air. It only makes a sound when our ears hear it.

My friend says Yes, It does exist.

FUCK I KNOW I'M RIGHT FUCK
Who's right?
It's me.
Yep.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Apie2 on November 12, 2011, 01:03:43 PM
Those qeustions are mind fucking.... ;-;
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 01:05:16 PM
I'm having an aguement with a friend.

If not a single thing on the earth had eyes, Would color exist?

If not a single thing on earth had ears, Would sound exist?

I'm telling my friend that No, It would not exist.
Sound is a vibration traveling in the air. It only makes a sound when our ears hear it.

My friend says Yes, It does exist.

FUCK I KNOW I'M RIGHT FUCK
Who's right?
It's me.
Yep.
So you're saying that if no one had ears, sound wouldn't exist, because sound waves are only made if our ears can hear it?
And that, colour isn't created if no one has eyes, because different light rays are only created if our eyes can see them?
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Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Supertoaster on November 12, 2011, 01:05:27 PM
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well, if nobody on earth had ears or eyes. sound and color would still exist we just wouldnt be able to see/hear them...
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: ○ Μαρία ○ on November 12, 2011, 01:09:09 PM
Cable, I am telling you. Sound and color exist around us, we just fucking receive it. If no one had eyes or ears to see color/ or hear sound of course it wouldn't exist, it wouldn't exist until someone gained the ability to see color/ hear sound, and they receive it, and then PEWF, it exists. The light rays and the sound waves just bounce around everywhere until they reach our ears and eyes.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cable on November 12, 2011, 01:09:58 PM
Putting color to the side for a moment.

DEFINITION OF SOUND:
Sound is when someone perceives those vibrations and therefore hears sound.

No ears exist, No sound is perceived.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: memo3300 on November 12, 2011, 01:11:17 PM
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 01:12:10 PM
Putting color to the side for a moment.

DEFINITION OF SOUND:
Sound is when someone perceives those vibrations and therefore hears sound.

No ears exist, No sound is perceived.
Except, sound still exists. The sound waves are there, and they DO make vibrations, whether in an ear or not. Doesn't mean sound wouldn't exist as a whole though.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cable on November 12, 2011, 01:13:50 PM
Except, sound still exists. The sound waves are there, and they DO make vibrations, whether in an ear or not. Doesn't mean sound wouldn't exist as a whole though.
It wouldn't be sound. Just vibrations.

They would only begin to make what we perceive as sound when something receives it. LIKE AN EAR.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 01:15:28 PM
It wouldn't be sound. Just vibrations.

They would only begin to make what we perceive as sound when something receives it. LIKE AN EAR.
I don't honestly see how you can argue with what I said ._..
It's still sound. It's not vibrations created from nothing? The vibrations caused, are through sound.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: [Valor]iPounce on November 12, 2011, 01:15:52 PM
If you have no ears and we have. Do sound exist?

If everybody have no ears, Do sound exist?
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Devie on November 12, 2011, 01:19:59 PM
does sound exist on mars or anyother planet?
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Captain Communism on November 12, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
Ok, my turn.
What's a synonym for thesaurus?
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Rocket50 on November 12, 2011, 01:24:37 PM
Well, even if we can't percieve it does exist.

The question is just whether we decide that it exists
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Foofoojack on November 12, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
It exists.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: ledjohnny on November 12, 2011, 01:27:21 PM
Ok, my turn.
What's a synonym for thesaurus?
Noep, I got a better one. Define time.


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Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: memo3300 on November 12, 2011, 01:30:32 PM
Noep, I got a better one. Define time.


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Quote from: wikipedia
Time is a part of the measuring system used to sequence events, to compare the durations of events and the intervals between them, and to quantify rates of change such as the motions of objects.

Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: ledjohnny on November 12, 2011, 01:33:19 PM

Inadequate.

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Time has been a major subject of religion, philosophy, and science, but defining it in a non-controversial manner applicable to all fields of study has consistently eluded the greatest scholars. A simple definition states that "time is what clocks measure".
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 01:33:43 PM
does sound exist on mars or anyother planet?
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Sound doesn't exist in vacuums (other planets are in a vacuum, space, they don't have the same atmosphere of earth - obviously) because the needed molecules to create sound waves do not exist in them. But on Earth, they do.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Devie on November 12, 2011, 01:35:46 PM
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Sound doesn't exist in vacuums (other planets are in a vacuum, space, they don't have the same atmosphere of earth - obviously) because the needed molecules to create sound waves do not exist in them. But on Earth, they do.


so what happens when the men on the moon clap their hands or something makes noise like their suit rubbing together due to walking?
They cant hear it?

edit:
if they talk in their suits, no sound will come out from their mouth?
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Boardtech on November 12, 2011, 01:38:46 PM
Devie, sound waves carries energy by compressing particles (I'm guessing?) if there is no air the on the moon I doubt you will hear another person.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 01:40:51 PM

so what happens when the men on the moon clap their hands or something makes noise like their suit rubbing together due to walking?
They cant hear it?

edit:
if they talk in their suits, no sound will come out from their mouth?
Clapping their hands or rubbing their suit from walking won't create noise in space, because it can't. So no, they won't hear it, because it's not there.
Their suits aren't a vacuum, hence the fact that they wear a suit and oxygen to breath, so they can talk to each other through walkie talkies.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cable on November 12, 2011, 01:41:09 PM
Devie, sound waves carries energy by compressing particles (I'm guessing?) if there is no air the on the moon I doubt you will hear another person.
Which is why they communicated by radio.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Prox on November 12, 2011, 01:42:24 PM
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Sound doesn't exist in vacuums (other planets are in a vacuum, space, they don't have the same atmosphere of earth - obviously) because the needed molecules to create sound waves do not exist in them. But on Earth, they do.
I do believe that sound exists in every planet with any atmosphere.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cable on November 12, 2011, 01:44:11 PM
On other planets with out an atmosphere, Sound doesn't happen.

Sound is vibrations traveling through the atmosphere.
No atmosphere = no vibrations
No vibrations = no sound
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 01:44:37 PM
I do believe that sound exists in every planet with any atmosphere.
Nop, unless it has an atmosphere similar to Earth's, contained, then it's in a vacuum, where the molecules such as in Earth's air, do not exist, and can't create the sound waves.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: coolzeldad on November 12, 2011, 01:50:44 PM
oo I like this discussion :0

If we take each example and isolate it I think more sense can be made.

Beethoven was a composer of classical music. When he eventually went deaf he was able to perceive music or sound through light and floor vibration.. making many interesting and significant performances.

What we are talking about is perception of the physical surrounding us, whether vibrations, rays, or whatever.

If someone lacks the perception of sight (understanding of changes in light) or the perception of sound (understanding of vibrations at certain recognizable frequencies) we might be able to say that another would be able to perceive and therefore the elements do exist.

However the question comes when every intelligent individual is incapable of any cognitive perception of the physical, whether of sound, touch, smell, sight, taste.

I believe that now it comes clear, that while the physical might exist theoretically, no intelligent individual would have the capability of measuring its existence and therefore its understanding would be lost.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 01:53:17 PM
I have to say, this is probably one of the best discussions we've had on here.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Jman on November 12, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Well no offense cable, but your arguement is immensely flawed.

Think of it like this:

A tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it still make a sound? Yes, it does.

On the other hand, what you're trying to say is that if you were in a room with a deaf person and a regular person, the deaf person wouldn't be able to hear so neither would the regular person.

Also, you saying that sound is perception is actually an arguement for the opposite side.
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Perception: The state of being or process of becoming aware of something in such a way.
Someone's perception of something doesn't influence its existance whatsoever, just their awareness of its existance.

Hence, I don't believe there's any way for you to be able to refute the point of perception, which means I believe we've proven sound will exist regardless.

/thread?
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 02:04:13 PM
Well no offense cable, but your arguement is immensely flawed.

Think of it like this:

A tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it still make a sound? Yes, it does.

On the other hand, what you're trying to say is that if you were in a room with a deaf person and a regular person, the deaf person wouldn't be able to hear so neither would the regular person.

Also, you saying that sound is perception is actually an arguement for the opposite side. Someone's perception of something doesn't influence its existance whatsoever, just their awareness of its existance.

Hence, I don't believe there's any way for you to be able to refute the point of perception, which means I believe we've proven sound will exist regardless.

/thread?
I agree with your argument completely, but he's arguing more about the definition of sound, it's use in the English language. He's saying that, if NO ONE could hear "sound", that it wouldn't exist due to it being a perception of vibration.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Jman on November 12, 2011, 02:13:32 PM
if NO ONE could hear "sound", that it wouldn't exist due to it being a perception of vibration.

I really don't understand what he means by that though.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cake Faice on November 12, 2011, 02:19:14 PM
I agree with your argument completely, but he's arguing more about the definition of sound, it's use in the English language. He's saying that, if NO ONE could hear "sound", that it wouldn't exist due to it being a perception of vibration.
To the people in Cable's scenario, sound wouldn't exist to them, but physically, it does. There are certain things in the universe we don't realize, can't see, but they do physically exist.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Frank on November 12, 2011, 02:20:36 PM
If noone knows you exist, do you really exist? Do others exist?

If a person didn't know anyone else, would anything exist? Would he exist?


Asd-

uhhh...welcome...back?

If you have any comments about my appearance, talk them through pms. I'd like to keep this topic as I've read it.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Jman on November 12, 2011, 02:21:57 PM
If noone knows you exist, do you really exist? Do others exist?

If a person didn't know anyone else, would anything exist? Would he exist?

Exactly.

Also, uhhh...welcome...back...?
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Apie2 on November 12, 2011, 02:30:37 PM
Those questions are so hard to tell.
It's like saying to a blind guy how the colour red looks like. D:
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Prox on November 12, 2011, 02:33:01 PM
Nop, unless it has an atmosphere similar to Earth's, contained, then it's in a vacuum, where the molecules such as in Earth's air, do not exist, and can't create the sound waves.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=765 (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=765)
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Since any kind of matter can transmit sound waves, we can hear sound on Mars or Titan or Venus or any place with an atmosphere.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Sabb on November 12, 2011, 02:34:46 PM
Those questions are so hard to tell.
It's like saying to a blind guy how the colour red looks like. D:
It's the best kind of question, one that forces you to think logically. I love forming debates/discussions on this sort of thing. It's fun to make an argument for it. (as in, discussion, not as in fighting)
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Deacon on November 12, 2011, 02:44:12 PM
To cable; yes, you are wrong.

To everyone else; how DARE you have an interesting conversation while I'm stuck at work
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cable on November 12, 2011, 02:57:19 PM
To cable; yes, you are wrong.

To everyone else; how DARE you have an interesting conversation while I'm stuck at work
I lower my head in shame.
I shall accept the future bragging about how I was wrong from my friend.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Jman on November 12, 2011, 03:08:43 PM
I lower my head in shame.
I shall accept the future bragging about how I was wrong from my friend.

FUCK I KNOW I'M RIGHT FUCK
Who's right?
It's me.
Yep.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Cable on November 12, 2011, 04:04:23 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
;_;
Title: Re: UUH FUCK
Post by: Seb on November 12, 2011, 05:20:21 PM
I lower my head in shame.
I shall accept the future bragging about how I was wrong from my friend.

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