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Bans (Read Only) => Report => Approved => Topic started by: Alkaline on August 17, 2011, 10:27:52 AM

Title: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Alkaline on August 17, 2011, 10:27:52 AM
1. Player's SteamID (STEAM_0:0:1234)

STEAM_0:1:33842481

2. Players Nickname

Dr.Octagonnapus

3. Your in-game name

Alkaline

4. Server name (Wirebuild, Zombie Survival)

Zombie Survival
zs_abstraction_night

5. Description of the event(s)

As with any game of zs_abstraction_night, it is always about the mad dash for the barricade kit and carpenter's hammer.
Dr.Octagonnapus gets both of these and other people crowd into the apartment.
Using the carpenter's hammer, Dr.Octagonnapus makes a cade with couches and chairs at the entrance of the apartment.
Kurtis wanted to let people into the cade so he broke the cade open.
Dr.Octagonnapus took the prop Kurtis broke off and caded it back.
Kurtis goes to the cade and breaks the prop off again.
Dr.Octagonnapus follows him to the hot tub and cades down Kurtis.

Dr.Octagonnapus tries to shoot the cade for a little bit, goes away, comes back, and gets killed.


6. Reason for ban

Barricading down another teammate using the aegis.
This is like teamkilling because the person barricaded down is vulnerable to zombies.

In the videos below, Kurtis did take a prop from Dr.Octagonnapus,
but there are better ways to resolve the issue than to just barricade down a teammate.

7. Screenshots or demo(s) | Optional console log(s)

Spoiler: Console (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Video #1 (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Video #2 (click to show/hide)

8. Extras

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on August 17, 2011, 10:46:57 AM
Isn't Dr. Octagonna a regular.....?


+1, thanks for uploading to youtube bud.

Lol...Nice spray we had to stare it xP
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Turkey Sandvich on August 17, 2011, 12:10:36 PM
:thumbsup:

Thats some really compelling evidence there.
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Prox on August 17, 2011, 12:15:45 PM
I support this report.
@ the extra video, I don't care if you can get in or not it should be against the rules.
Perhaps for you, American players, it's not a big deal to get in, but not for anyone with 150-200+ ping.
Also it isn't that clear who made that cade in the video since you recorded it after it was already made.
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Peter Petrelli on August 17, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
 :thumbsup:

Proof here
Gmod RND zs octagonapus cade trolling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M67KD7cbn8I&feature=feedu#ws)
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Travelsonic on August 17, 2011, 01:45:22 PM
And seeing Oct's ranting in the 2nd video makes me think THE BREAKING CADES RULE NEEDS TO BE BETTER CLARIFIED.  Meaning, he responds about how the cade was being broken as if ALL cade breaking WHATSOEVER is against the rules - which I attribute to the very broad nature in which it is written.  Clearly, if somebody is cading out an entire team, trapping people in cades, cading teleport exists, or breaking a cade they made because the room they caded in was no longer safe, to break cades in those specific circumstances doesn't sound like something the rule would cover - but again, given how it is broadly written, broadly understood, doesn't allow for those exceptions to soak in.
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Deacon on August 17, 2011, 01:52:09 PM
Well that's the thing; most of these rules are left general and open to interpretation. We couldn't write a rule list to fit each specific scenario, because situations change all the time. This is why the report system exists; you post your evidence, and others are left to interpret/support your claims. (But not +1\-1, cause reports should just be evidence and eyewitness accounts)
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Captain Communism on August 17, 2011, 02:19:04 PM
I saw this, I believe.
Even if I WASN'T a witness, I still  :thumbsup: due to the evidence.
Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Travelsonic on August 17, 2011, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: Deacon on August 17, 2011, 01:52:09 PM
Well that's the thing; most of these rules are left general and open to interpretation. We couldn't write a rule list to fit each specific scenario, because situations change all the time.

That's why, IMO, the wording could be something like "no breaking the cade unless valid circumstances arise." - is IS still broad written like this, BUT it acknowledges that there are circumstances where cade breaking may be necessary without having to list every circumstance, thus making debates about cade breaking less that it occurs at all, and more about the WHY - whether it is out of trolling or mingeing, or out of necessity.

I know I'm overly analytical sometimes.  It's an old habit that I got during the not-too-long-ago days of writing role playing games in college for fun... somehow, I'd always end up writing a mechanic or rule that was worded as such where SOMEBODY could figure out a way to break, or exploit it.  Since then, whatever bits I have time to do in my spare time are less ... break-able, for a lack of better words. :D


Title: Re: Dr.Octagonnapus Team Cading
Post by: Moo on August 17, 2011, 04:14:11 PM
him breaking a cade is just being a complete dick

cant rly ban for that....

but when he cades another player into a corner, thats something different