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Title: Space Flight
Post by: Xrain on July 08, 2011, 10:14:29 PM
As many of you I'm sure have heard, the last space shuttle has launched today. (Much to my dismay as I was going to go fly to Florida to watch it if it launched on Sat/Sun/Mon)

This is an odd thing, because... well we really don't have a unified plan for its replacement.


I could go on for quite a while on how I feel about space exploration, what we should do, and where we should go next.


But first I would like to hear your guys' opinion first.

-How do you feel about the idea of not having any "large" human rated launch vehicles on the planet at this time?
-What do you think our next step should be?
-Does the idea of space travel even hold your interest any more?

Feel free to add anything else you want to add related to space travel.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Cake Faice on July 08, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
-Does the idea of space travel even hold your interest any more?

It still does for me. There has to be other life out there in the universe, and I really want us to discover it.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: ursus on July 08, 2011, 10:17:12 PM
To be honest, discovering that there was microbial life on Mars over 9000 aeons ago won't help us find more habitable planets.

As far as space EXPLORATION goes, I think the most relevant concern should either be finding planets that can support human life, or developing some method of terraforming to alter a planet's atmosphere/climate.

And FTL travel wouldn't be half bad either.

/endersgamefanboy
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Rocket50 on July 08, 2011, 10:23:19 PM
We, as the general human race, should really pour more funding into space exploration and, ofc, terraforming.

The more planets the human race colonizes, the same way goes our chances of survival as a species.

Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Juan_Ambriz on July 08, 2011, 10:24:43 PM
As many of you I'm sure have heard, the last space shuttle has launched today. (Much to my dismay as I was going to go fly to Florida to watch it if it launched on Sat/Sun/Mon)

This is an odd thing, because... well we really don't have a unified plan for its replacement.


I could go on for quite a while on how I feel about space exploration, what we should do, and where we should go next.


But first I would like to hear your guys' opinion first.

-What do you think our next step should be?
-Does the idea of space travel even hold your interest any more?

Feel free to add anything else you want to add related to space travel.

I think we should find a different life form, there HAS to be another life form, if so i hope they are not hostile...
Space travel has interested me since i was 4 i got a bigass Telescope and wished that i could travel to Mars, or the Moon...

Edit
We, as the general human race, should really pour more funding into space exploration and, ofc, terraforming.

The more planets the human race colonizes, the same way goes our chances of survival as a species.


This..... since people say the world is going to end sometime, we have to colonize another planet. then we will all be safe :3.... How we would go bac and forth between planets... not sure...
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Tomcat on July 08, 2011, 10:26:05 PM
As many of you I'm sure have heard, the last space shuttle has launched today. (Much to my dismay as I was going to go fly to Florida to watch it if it launched on Sat/Sun/Mon)

This is an odd thing, because... well we really don't have a unified plan for its replacement.


I could go on for quite a while on how I feel about space exploration, what we should do, and where we should go next.


But first I would like to hear your guys' opinion first.

-How do you feel about the idea of not having any "large" human rated launch vehicles on the planet at this time?
-What do you think our next step should be?
-Does the idea of space travel even hold your interest any more?

Feel free to add anything else you want to add related to space travel.

Ivan the torquer is going to have to work hard

we are ordering some Russian spacecraft
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Rocket50 on July 08, 2011, 10:26:40 PM
I think we should find a different life form, there HAS to be another life form, if so i hope they are not hostile...
Space travel has interested me since i was 4 i got a bigass Telescope and wished that i could travel to Mars, or the Moon...

tbh, finding other lifeform isn't all that beneficial... Sure it might help in the bioengineering department, but we kind of have bigger problems. Namely, global fucking warming .-.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on July 08, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Please move to bin...Shouldn't browse the forum when you're half awake. Sorry guys.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Rocket50 on July 08, 2011, 10:29:10 PM
Truthfully, I don't like the human species, they are an abomination who destroy everything in it's path, I'm not saying everybody is like that, but most of us are. We are, how you would say, smart, but dumb at the same time. We lack the intelligence to realize we are destroying ourselves (I.E. Wars) but are smart enough to create advanced technology that we can bend to our whim. It's a bit weird IMO.

Misanthrope you say
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Cake Faice on July 08, 2011, 10:37:07 PM
Truthfully, I don't like the human species, they are an abomination who destroy everything in it's path, I'm not saying everybody is like that, but most of us are. We are, how you would say, smart, but dumb at the same time. We lack the intelligence to realize we are destroying ourselves (I.E. Wars) but are smart enough to create advanced technology that we can bend to our whim. It's a bit weird IMO.

(http://files.sharenator.com/wtf_am_i_reading_Funny_Pics-s600x600-181829-580.jpg)

You might wanna be happy that you're human, be cause you could have been born a fly or a dog or a Dinosaur or something....
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on July 08, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
Misanthrope you say

I don't dislike others, I just don't like how a lot of them are so ignorant and are complete retards.

Pretty much, I just hate the retards who like to start wars, hurt/abuse other living things, are greedy, are completely idiots and just like to see others in pain. (Yes, this does include the occasional troll)

Pretty much, a lot of us are like that one war or another and it just gives you the idea that everyone is like that. I know that's not true but it just doesn't get off my mind. -_-



You might wanna be happy that you're human, be cause you could have been born a fly or a dog or a Dinosaur or something....

I'm not saying I don't want to be a human, I'm just saying that I wish we were less ignorant ;_;

P.S. that pic bugged the shit outa me...Don't know why O_o
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Carp on July 08, 2011, 11:16:55 PM
Truthfully, I don't like the human species, they are an abomination who destroy everything in it's path, I'm not saying everybody is like that, but most of us are. We are, how you would say, smart, but dumb at the same time. We lack the intelligence to realize we are destroying ourselves (I.E. Wars) but are smart enough to create advanced technology that we can bend to our whim. It's a bit weird IMO.

the thing is...what are you comparing the human race to? Also there are only a select few human beings that are smart enough to create that technology,  not all humans can create advanced technology only the select smart ones.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Supertoaster on July 08, 2011, 11:32:08 PM
They wanna go to the moon again, Why again? We need to move on and go to places like Mars. I'd prefer Venus but, ya dat thick atmosphere.

I'd imagine standing on Venus assuming I wasn't being crushed would be like looking underwater.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on July 08, 2011, 11:34:02 PM
the thing is...what are you comparing the human race to? Also there are only a select few human beings that are smart enough to create that technology,  not all humans can create advanced technology only the select smart ones.

Sorry, I'm really sleepy right now, it's about midnight and I just slept about 5 hours yesterday. Please disregard everything I've posted...

Also, you're right, only a select few of them are smart enough to create advanced technology. I need to stop this before the thread gets derailed...ANYWAYS

(1st) - It feels as though we aren't making any progress atm to explore space and find life-suitable planets, as we are usually trying our best to come up with ways to travel to other planets, etc, etc.

(2nd) - I think our next step should be attempting to develop a new type of spaceship in which would allow us to travel fast and far enough to reach other galaxies and find new planets.

(3rd) - Honestly, it doesn't really intrigue me at this moment, there is a lot of things going on and I'm not exactly paying the most attention to things like that.

I'd imagine standing on Venus assuming I wasn't being crushed would be like looking underwater.

That....Would actually be interesting.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: cogsandspigots on July 09, 2011, 07:47:29 AM
Well, for all of you who want to progress in space exploration (that includes me), too bad. Obama and Congress cut off almost all funding to NASA and a huge portion of NASA's employees will be laid off.

I guess there are still the cosmonauts, maybe...
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Seb on July 09, 2011, 08:29:42 AM
Well, for all of you who want to progress in space exploration (that includes me), too bad. Obama and Congress cut off almost all funding to NASA and a huge portion of NASA's employees will be laid off.

I guess there are still the cosmonauts, maybe...

Actually, they're giving private companies the greenlight to go do space exploration themselves because private companies are much for efficient than government institutions.

Don't worry, people, there is no end to space exploration. There's just an end to government-funded space exploration. Good riddance, too, NASA's been basically scratching their balls and sending the occasional rover or space telescope for the past 42 years.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: ·UηİŦ·· on July 09, 2011, 10:42:42 AM
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Space.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Frank on July 09, 2011, 11:15:09 AM
I think first we should focus on our earthly troubles.


THEN, maybe, dare go 10 metres up.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Arcoyle on July 09, 2011, 12:35:26 PM
On the subject of human space travel I have 2 words: private sector. SpaceX and virgin galactic are the main ones I know of who are far enough along to get things done. Hope I have those company names right...
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Seb on July 09, 2011, 01:45:22 PM
Truthfully, I don't like the human species, they are an abomination who destroy everything in it's path, I'm not saying everybody is like that, but most of us are. We are, how you would say, smart, but dumb at the same time. We lack the intelligence to realize we are destroying ourselves (I.E. Wars) but are smart enough to create advanced technology that we can bend to our whim. It's a bit weird IMO.

Hotgreen, I like you. You're a cool guy. But this post is so full of shit it defies logical explanation. The human species is doing a ton better than it was centuries ago, and anybody complaining that we are gradually making the world go to shit has no idea what they're talking about.

For example, wars aren't as destructive anymore. Back in the ages, if you got wounded you died. No exception. Nowadays, a wounded soldier dies 1/8th of the time. Ultimately, boundaries are now forever set by diplomacy and politics, so the national boundaries aren't going to change unless there's some huge anarchy movement.

Furthermore, you might bitch and moan about sickness and disease and cancer and crimes and everything when it's been the best it's been since a hundred years ago. Teen pregnancy rates last year were the lowest since 1940-something. Crime rates are a similar story, although it's a different year. So are general sickness rates. Never before in the entire human history have we been able to completely eradicate a disease. We've eliminated countless diseases in the past hundred years.

So please, don't be one of the people that bitch and moan about the state the world is in.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Frank on July 09, 2011, 02:01:07 PM
Hotgreen, I like you. You're a cool guy. But this post is so full of shit it defies logical explanation. The human species is doing a ton better than it was centuries ago, and anybody complaining that we are gradually making the world go to shit has no idea what they're talking about.

For example, wars aren't as destructive anymore. Back in the ages, if you got wounded you died. No exception. Nowadays, a wounded soldier dies 1/8th of the time. Ultimately, boundaries are now forever set by diplomacy and politics, so the national boundaries aren't going to change unless there's some huge anarchy movement.

Furthermore, you might bitch and moan about sickness and disease and cancer and crimes and everything when it's been the best it's been since a hundred years ago. Teen pregnancy rates last year were the lowest since 1940-something. Crime rates are a similar story, although it's a different year. So are general sickness rates. Never before in the entire human history have we been able to completely eradicate a disease. We've eliminated countless diseases in the past hundred years.

So please, don't be one of the people that bitch and moan about the state the world is in.
Yeah, wars are cool now. Either 6 guys come in and kill 'the most evil terrorist in the world', or they push a button and your city suddenly disappears.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Seb on July 09, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
Yeah, wars are cool now. Either 6 guys come in and kill 'the most evil terrorist in the world', or they push a button and your city suddenly disappears.

>implying the nuclear arms race isn't like ten year olds going "i'll beat you up" "no i'll beat you up" but nothing happens
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Mr. Franklin on July 09, 2011, 02:11:38 PM
Space exploration is something that is not far away and possibly in the near future. Our only problem is that most countries are in huge dept and cannot create the programs like NASA or something even better. I guess you can intertwine this with World Peace. You would have the whole earth working as one to further enhance the human race, by space travel and NASA programs.
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Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: ursus on July 09, 2011, 03:12:26 PM
Portal 2 - Personality Core 01 "Space Core" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcs4klrjlwE#ws)
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on July 09, 2011, 03:58:20 PM
@Smith Wesson

Like I said in the edited post, I posted that at midnight and was really sleepy, I think all the shit I said is retarded now too. Can we please forget about those posts and talk about space? Who else here thinks that if we find another form of life in space they are not going to try to go all out and kill us..

Actually, can an admin move those posts to bin? It's causing too much shit and I don't want it to continue T_T
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Rocket50 on July 09, 2011, 04:04:33 PM

Seb, no. You can't just look at the human side of improvements. There are other things beside people on earth you know. Co2 is at an all-time high and in the ozone there are gaping holes hovering above major cities. The rate of deforestation, destruction of habitats, the diverting of water bodies to dam is increasing with every passing year. And you know what's the worst part?

We know this. We know it well. And yet, we haven't made any signification changes. At least, not a world-wide impact.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sure you could argue that there aren't any major wars, as well as the reduction of deaths rates during birth and diseases but at what cost? Basically, we're steam rolling through the earth for our own gains, and if we don't gain anything from doing it, we dont do it.

The main problem is the fact that we too conscious about convenience and commerence to do any large-scale fixing.

But I digress.

-Removed-

Progress can't be measured solely by the improvements on the human scale. I.e

Cars: Good for us, sucks for the atmosphere

Fertilizer: Good for us, sucks for the fish in the bodies of water polluted with it

Computers: Good for us, sucks for the land around the city dump
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: » Magic « on July 09, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
I always wonder what's on the other side of the Sun...
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Supertoaster on July 09, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
Scrubs: I don't believe in the moon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js1V_wAwGms#)
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Captain Communism on July 09, 2011, 06:30:41 PM
Uh, problem!

>Space technology progresses

>Wars happen

>(http://www.luft46.com/jhart/jhsang-4.jpg) (I know this particular craft will never happen, but the concept remains)

>(http://www.luft46.com/jhart/jhsang-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Tomcat on July 09, 2011, 06:38:11 PM
Uh, problem!

>Space technology progresses

>Wars happen

>(http://www.luft46.com/jhart/jhsang-4.jpg) (I know this particular craft will never happen, but the concept remains)

>(http://www.luft46.com/jhart/jhsang-5.jpg)

it would probably be easy to see and bring down
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Captain Communism on July 09, 2011, 06:40:32 PM
it would probably be easy to see and bring down

I'm just bringing into light the possibilty of orbital bombing.

That particular craft got cancelled ages ago, but the concept of said craft has been in consideration of several militaries for a while now.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Xrain on July 10, 2011, 01:16:21 AM
Alrighty, you guys have some interesting ideas, and I'm glad to see people are still interested in space exploration, as if you weren't I'd worry about my job outlook...

Quote from: cogsadndspigots
Well, for all of you who want to progress in space exploration (that includes me), too bad. Obama and Congress cut off almost all funding to NASA and a huge portion of NASA's employees will be laid off.

I guess there are still the cosmonauts, maybe...

I've been heavily involved with the Rocket launching business, and I've also had a chance to talk with some NASA administrators as well. Your right, quite a few employees will be laid off now that the shuttle program ended, the exact same thing happened at the end of the Apollo program. However this is a bit different because they new they were going to do the shuttles before they ended Apollo.

However, Obama hasn't slashed NASA's funding he cancelled the constellation program, and demanded they start on a new program.


Speaking of NASA budget, most people are under the impression that NASA takes a HUGE portion of the federal budget.

It's quite the opposite, in NASA's entire 53 year history, they have spent $471.23 billion dollars. Sounds like alot, but lets put this in perspective.

The bank bailout in 2008 so far have spent $297 billion dollars.
The War in Iraq has cost $786 billion dollars
The War in Afghanistan has cost $432 Billion dollars
The economic Recovery act of 2009 has spent $787 billion dollars

NASA's budget averages around $9 billion a year.
The Federal Budget last year was  $3.8 Trillion dollars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Budget (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Budget)

Imagine what would happen if instead of spending that $1.0 Trillion on the economic recovery act, and the bank bailout. We spent it all on NASA. I bet you we would be on scedual for going to Jupiter!

Quote from: Seb
Actually, they're giving private companies the green-light to go do space exploration themselves because private companies are much for efficient than government institutions.

Don't worry, people, there is no end to space exploration. There's just an end to government-funded space exploration. Good riddance, too, NASA's been basically scratching their balls and sending the occasional rover or space telescope for the past 42 years.

NASA is Contracting Orbital Sciences, and SpaceX to provide resupply missions for the ISS. SpaceX is testing their Dragon capsule as a way of ferrying people to the ISS. Neither is working towards space exploration, just filling niches that form in the Launch Service community.

Your quite right though, Private companies are seriously more efficient than a Government agency.

But there is a down side to privatization. The fact they have to pull a return.

This reduces the scope of what they are willing to attempt, as if it doesn't project a significant economic return, they flat out aren't willing to attempt it.
I've heard several people say things like "If all space exploration was privatized we would be on Jupiter by now!"

This simply isn't the case. There just isn't a large enough foreseeable economic benefit to space exploration.

Think of Columbus, no merchant in his right mind would even *touch* his idea. He had to go to the  Queen of Spain (Spain's Government) to get funding as no private company would back him. 
However as soon as he did find America and displayed the large economic benefit from it. Commercial companies were all over it.

Government space agencies have a purpose in this world. They do things that aren't profitable, like firefighting, or policing. Same thing with space exploration, there certainly is an economic benefit to space exploration, however someone has to find it first for people to be interested in doing it.

So NASA does things like, trail-blaze the way to other planets, do pure science investigations, develop new technologies. Basically lay the framework for other entities to follow in its foot steps.

Look at low earth orbit for example. It started out with just NASA and the Soviets launching satellites, they did all the base research, all the base technology development. Then private companies took their lessons learned, and turned it into a multi-billion dollar industry.


K my fingers hurt, I'll put more ideas in later.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Ἆxule on July 10, 2011, 02:59:27 AM
I'm just going to point out the obvious since I have nothing else really to say thats comparable to everything thats been said.

IMO, we should be worring about Earth itself a little more than Space exlporation. We can't be entirely sure we'll find another habitable planet any time soon, and if we just slack off and put all the money into space exploration, we'll be screwed on day.

Anyways, I'm not a genius when it comes to this, just felt I had to put this in here.

I'm up for some critisizm.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Xrain on July 10, 2011, 03:40:02 AM
I'm just going to point out the obvious since I have nothing else really to say thats comparable to everything thats been said.

IMO, we should be worring about Earth itself a little more than Space exlporation. We can't be entirely sure we'll find another habitable planet any time soon, and if we just slack off and put all the money into space exploration, we'll be screwed on day.

Anyways, I'm not a genius when it comes to this, just felt I had to put this in here.

I'm up for some critisizm.

You would be right, if we actually did put all our money into space exploration.
Stuff like this needs a balanced approach, we could have the most awesome spaceships ever, but it wouldn't mean much if they didn't have a healthy humanity to back them.
But, the amount of money and research going into earth studies, cant even be compared to how little is going into space exploration.

Think about this, if we didn't have an extreme case of global warming to compare yourself to (Venus) It's entirely possible our detection of it could have been delayed several decades past the point where we have a chance to do anything about it.

Space exploration also tends to spin off technologies that benefit a lot of people, without the Apollo and the shuttle program, we flat out wouldn't have any sort of computer processor even close to the capabilities that we have today.


The moon also has the potential to solve the world energy problems, for the next 1 million years. On top of that, it would be one of the most clean and efficient energy sources even known.

It would do this with fusion power. The main problem with fusion power today, is the two sources main sources of fusible materials (deuterium and tritium) are inefficient in their energy production.
The problem is the generation of high energy neutrons, these are extremely damaging to the reactor, create the most amount of residual radioactivity, as well as you cant really harness the energy they produce very efficiently.
The Deuterium + Deuterium reaction produces no neutrons, but it doesn't make much energy either, so it's tough to get a net-gain out of it.
The Deuterium + Tritium reaction creates lots of energy, but most of that energy is in the form of high energy neutrons.
The Tritium + Tritium reaction produces double the amount of high energy neutrons, tritium is also significantly more scares than deuterium.

The butter zone is  Helium-3. It's an isotope of regular helium, and it produces significant amounts of energy, and no neutrons. The issue arises in the fact the only source of it we have is decaying neuclear weapons. So we have only produced around 155kg since 1955.

This is where the moon comes in.

The sun produces a significant helium-3 component in the solar wind. The earth doesn't benefit as the atmosphere deflects the particles. The moon on the other hand doesn't have an atmosphere. so its free to collect in the top 6 feet of the lunar soil.

So eventually we go through the top layer of the lunar soil. Collect the helium-3, and ship it back. This should give us plenty of time to devise the means of harvesting it from the gas giants instead, giving a much larger and more efficient source of helium-3.


So I could possibly extrapolate that space exploration could potentially go a long way towards solving the worlds climate problems...
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Deacon on July 10, 2011, 10:44:37 AM
xrain, i absolutely love reading your posts.

thats all.

also on topic, the scientist in me says we need to go to mars, just to say we have been there.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Tomcat on July 10, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
xrain, i absolutely love reading your posts.

thats all.

also on topic, the scientist in me says we need to go to mars, just to say we have been there.

I believe that too.

In around 250 years the planet earth will be uninhabitable because of the pollution in our atmosphere. We must have a plane ready in case something unexpected goes wrong here.

If we perfect some kind of long distance travel, our best bet is to go to Gliese 581c (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2007-04-24-new-planet-red-dwarf_N.htm)

Who knows maybe we will be in space doing shit by 2050?
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Ἆxule on July 10, 2011, 03:38:31 PM
You would be right, if we actually did put all our money into space exploration.
Stuff like this needs a balanced approach, we could have the most awesome spaceships ever, but it wouldn't mean much if they didn't have a healthy humanity to back them.
But, the amount of money and research going into earth studies, cant even be compared to how little is going into space exploration.

Think about this, if we didn't have an extreme case of global warming to compare yourself to (Venus) It's entirely possible our detection of it could have been delayed several decades past the point where we have a chance to do anything about it.

Space exploration also tends to spin off technologies that benefit a lot of people, without the Apollo and the shuttle program, we flat out wouldn't have any sort of computer processor even close to the capabilities that we have today.


The moon also has the potential to solve the world energy problems, for the next 1 million years. On top of that, it would be one of the most clean and efficient energy sources even known.

It would do this with fusion power. The main problem with fusion power today, is the two sources main sources of fusible materials (deuterium and tritium) are inefficient in their energy production.
The problem is the generation of high energy neutrons, these are extremely damaging to the reactor, create the most amount of residual radioactivity, as well as you cant really harness the energy they produce very efficiently.
The Deuterium + Deuterium reaction produces no neutrons, but it doesn't make much energy either, so it's tough to get a net-gain out of it.
The Deuterium + Tritium reaction creates lots of energy, but most of that energy is in the form of high energy neutrons.
The Tritium + Tritium reaction produces double the amount of high energy neutrons, tritium is also significantly more scares than deuterium.

The butter zone is  Helium-3. It's an isotope of regular helium, and it produces significant amounts of energy, and no neutrons. The issue arises in the fact the only source of it we have is decaying neuclear weapons. So we have only produced around 155kg since 1955.

This is where the moon comes in.

The sun produces a significant helium-3 component in the solar wind. The earth doesn't benefit as the atmosphere deflects the particles. The moon on the other hand doesn't have an atmosphere. so its free to collect in the top 6 feet of the lunar soil.

So eventually we go through the top layer of the lunar soil. Collect the helium-3, and ship it back. This should give us plenty of time to devise the means of harvesting it from the gas giants instead, giving a much larger and more efficient source of helium-3.


So I could possibly extrapolate that space exploration could potentially go a long way towards solving the worlds climate problems...

Thanks for explaining it to me : )
Now I know a little bit more.
I've always been interested in astronomy and space exploration as a kid and even now, so this topic is really interesting to read and learn from.
But my interest in Psychology is a little bit stronger than in astronomy or space exploration, so I won't be learning anything big on my own.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: ursus on July 10, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Xrain, you should fly to the next launch at Vandenberg so we can chill. I live 15 minutes from the air force base.


//and supertoaster too but who cares
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Supertoaster on July 10, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
Xrain, you should fly to the next launch at Vandenberg so we can chill. I live 15 minutes from the air force base.
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: hypextreme on July 11, 2011, 07:17:44 AM
So only the humans are the only things going to live?

If we move to another planet -> No trees or other animals
If we just preserve Earth -> Everything is fine

Not to mention we probably will destroy that planet too
Title: Re: Space Flight
Post by: Mr. Franklin on July 11, 2011, 07:38:19 AM
So only the humans are the only things going to live?

If we move to another planet -> No trees or other animals
If we just preserve Earth -> Everything is fine

Not to mention we probably will destroy that planet too

sooner or later there will be nothing left to preserve on earth. but that will take thousands and thousands of years. or 20