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Title: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Seb on May 30, 2011, 06:59:54 PM
I have a little sister.

Now, allow me to explain.

She eats everything.
She doesn't do what mom tells her to do.
She LIVES and FEEDS off of pissing me and my other sister off (and you guys know how level-headed I am).
She embarrasses my mom by starting fights with me and my other sister while friends/mom's boyfriend is over.
She has punched multiple holes in the house walls.
She steals things.
Not even kidding, a full 75% of what she says is utter horseshit. Not kidding. No hyperbole. If there was a scientific study on her, results would be 75% of what she says is a lie.
She breaks things.
She hits. HARD.
She threatens to get what she wants.
If she's angry, she'll straight up break somebody's things or unplug computers.
All she does is eat and watch Disney Crappel.

Now, here's where my mom comes in. My parents are divorced. The final punishments for my little sister is usually a permanent relocating to my dad's house. the problem is, she's said it multiple times. But she doesn't go through with it. She usually gets to the end of the cul-de-sac, and has only actually gotten to my dad's house once or twice but immediately U-Turned. My mom has now decided she won't do it. Whenever I mention how this sister is tearing the family apart, my mom gets angry.

Please.

How can I convince my mom to stop being so close-minded and blind and to actually see the damage this demon is doing?





tl;dr Bitch sister nid gtfo to dad's, mom won't give gtfo to dad's
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: blαh2355 on May 30, 2011, 07:08:35 PM
Just confront your mom and have a private talk with her explaining why she needs to let her go. Unless you already did this then idk.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Peetah on May 30, 2011, 07:26:28 PM
If it comes to tat point.
You gunna need to use old school discipline.

She hits hard? Break her hands.
No more of this 12 year old girl bs.
Dont kill her though.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Deacon on May 30, 2011, 07:31:48 PM
this is
exactly what
my sister
is becoming.

but shes 12.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cable on May 30, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
Write your mom a well thought out note.
With a note, You have time to carefully write each word.
If you go up to her, You cant really think about what you want to say for too long.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cep on May 30, 2011, 09:35:21 PM
If she's breaking up the things that are important in your life, you've got to show her you can do the same. Even if it's oonly food and television.
After she's done something you don't like, tell her you are going to get revenge for it. And make sure she knows what you're talking about.
When the situation cools for a bit, remove her from her food or TV, even if you straight up snotrocket in her plate or throw it away.

She'll either realize you'll take action, or if she's the inability to reason, she'll just remain pissed as before.
And when/if your mother chastises you for doing something like this, explain to her that your sister has done much worse. In the most serious manner you can show, and getting your other sister to back you up won't hurt either.

And even if you don't take my advice, see this. I don't know how old you are but at some point you'll both grow up enough to where you can show her your side of the conflict, and move on.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: bipolardiz on May 30, 2011, 09:38:20 PM
If it comes to tat point.
You gunna need to use old school discipline.

She hits hard? Break her hands.
No more of this 12 year old girl bs.
Dont kill her though.

I agree. A young girl in this situation is doing such things for two reasons.
1. being for attention.
2. because she feels unloved and misinterpreted.

She need to be bent over your mom's knee. And then given some ice cream or something.

Of course that is a just generalization based on the small bits of information that you have given ( and no im not asking for more. I would rather you not share more with the whole of the community unless you feel necessary.)

I have two questions. Have you tried family counseling? and have you talked to your little sister?

@Cep, I think that is a bad idea. To do something on his own without his mother's support will result in further family unrest. It must be like a group effort.

>edit. Also you must relize that your mother seeing this maybe harder than you relize. She may feel as if she is to blame and therefore unable to do anything.
>>Edit. Also whatever happens in the end I wish you luck and I hope  something in what I wrote helps. I know there isn't an exact answer but there really can't be. Main thing is communication. After all it is your mother's choice and it's a hard one at that.
Much love Seb
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Sabb on May 31, 2011, 09:46:51 AM
Write your mom a well thought out note.
With a note, You have time to carefully write each word.
If you go up to her, You cant really think about what you want to say for too long.
Not a good idea.
sure, you would be able to carefully think every single word out, but it's hard to gain respect that way, and his mom would most likely take it as him not feeling able to confront her about things.

What I suggest doing (yea, I'm not an expert, and I don't know you or you family really, so it's kind of hard to help...) is talking privately to your mom when ever you get the chance. Make sure your sister is out of sight so that you can actually talk to her without her coming in and making it into a fight with just verbally attacking each other.

When you can do that, do it as soon as possible of course, but when you get the chance, really try to talk to her in a mature and calm manor, think of ways to impress her and show you have really thought every option through and PREPARE your argument before you talk to your mom. Think of any possible ways she might defend your sister or make excuses to allow her to stay before talking to your mom. This way she'll be able to see that you're really serious about the idea, and have really thought everything through before hand and gain respect and trust from her, and hopefully you can get her to truly listen to you.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cheesicle on June 01, 2011, 05:50:56 AM
Do what I'd do.


















Beat the tobacco juice out of her.














"Her" being your sister.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Tomcat on June 10, 2011, 08:54:23 AM
When she isn't home disconnect the cable
She might get so pissed and flip out and then get deported to your dads house, but the question is , do you hate your sister that much
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Seb on June 10, 2011, 10:45:09 AM
When she isn't home disconnect the cable
She might get so pissed and flip out and then get deported to your dads house, but the question is , do you hate your sister that much

Yep.

I thought that idea'd work too, but that just makes her eat everything.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Tomcat on June 10, 2011, 03:07:44 PM
Yep.

I thought that idea'd work too, but that just makes her eat everything.
WELD THE FRIDGE SHUT

how big is she?
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Seb on June 10, 2011, 07:32:05 PM
WELD THE FRIDGE SHUT

how big is she?

She is 4'7" and 165lbs.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Peetah on June 10, 2011, 07:37:39 PM
She is 4'7" and 165lbs.
LOL She'll eat you.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: fenkeN on June 10, 2011, 07:55:51 PM
She is 4'7" and 165lbs.
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/750/lolvzl.jpg)
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cheesicle on June 10, 2011, 08:12:20 PM
She is 4'7" and 165lbs.

HOLY SHIT

THATS ALMOST MY WEIGHT.

AND I'M FAT AND 6'1''!!!! WTSFWTWADSF!#$@YTHEWESF
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: ursus on June 10, 2011, 08:49:42 PM
She is 4'7" and 165lbs.

No offense, but your sister is a fatass

I'm 5' 7" and 125 lbs ._.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Seb on June 10, 2011, 11:45:55 PM
No offense, but your sister is a fatass

I'm 5' 7" and 125 lbs ._.

>no offense
>i fucking hate her

lol


(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/750/lolvzl.jpg)

(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt283/Rotedria/1304460411723.jpg)
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Jazin Kay on June 11, 2011, 01:05:44 AM
Ugh, I can sense her horrible rolls of abusive worthless blubber from my laptop.

She's a bitch to you? Be a bitch back? No, it won't solve anything, but it will show her why it sucks having people be a bitch to you. Feed her the cookies she bakes herself, and watch her choke. When she does, use that analogy and watch her snap. Hopefully, it'll be quite a show. But worst case scenario, she'll at least learn something.

I will not advocate violence, however. Just make her suffer. It will be enough.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Jazin Kay on June 11, 2011, 01:15:58 AM
I thought that idea'd work too, but that just makes her eat everything.
Wait, here's an idea. Unplug the cable, but stock the fridge with horrible "I'm alone and I want to die" foods with no nutritional value. Let her eat her misery away, then let it keep any boy from ever touching her. There's a point where not even a World of Warcraft player will want to tap that.

It won't kill her, but it will make her suffer enough that wait nevermind, that will totally kill her.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cheesicle on June 11, 2011, 05:18:48 AM
Wait, here's an idea. Unplug the cable, but stock the fridge with horrible "I'm alone and I want to die" foods with no nutritional value. Let her eat her misery away, then let it keep any boy from ever touching her. There's a point where not even a World of Warcraft player will want to tap that.

It won't kill her, but it will make her suffer enough that wait nevermind, that will totally kill her.

Good Idea!

But next time, please use the modify button instead of double posting :)
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Peetah on June 11, 2011, 09:23:53 AM
Do account for the fact that she might trip and fall on you. LOL
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: DrOctagonnapus on June 19, 2011, 04:42:57 PM
Heres what i did to my younger sibling when i got pissed off over something they did..

You hit me imma hit you with a broom handle..
You break my shit i break half your shit.
you steal my shit i break the other half..
you lie to me i lock you outside/in the garage
you lie to parents about me.. i put you in trashcan.
you hit me AGAIN.. i kick you in the cunt/balls and push you down the stairs

Be creative.. Turn it all abck on her 3x. Dont take shit from her or she will continue to assume she can just walk all over you. Make a line.. Remind her if she crosses it you will kick the shit out of her... She hit harder than you? fine beat her with a shoe. Srsly.. dont put up with that shit.. if i was you i woulda kicked the shit out of her.. no lie..she would have never done that shit again...Tell your mother to grow a backbone... Children can only learn if they are beaten. :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll:

KTHXBAI...
PS i dont mean to be a jerk. but....an assbeating goes a long way
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Shawn on June 19, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
Please.

How can I convince my mom to stop being so close-minded and blind and to actually see the damage this demon is doing?


tl;dr Bitch sister nid gtfo to dad's, mom won't give gtfo to dad's

You can't its not about being closed minded its her child, her baby girl. Why would she get rid of her child? thats just bad parenting "Oh i can't control you looks like I'll just ditch you on to someone else."
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Sabb on June 19, 2011, 05:07:56 PM
Heres what i did to my younger sibling when i got pissed off over something they did..

You hit me imma hit you with a broom handle..
You break my shit i break half your shit.
you steal my shit i break the other half..
you lie to me i lock you outside/in the garage
you lie to parents about me.. i put you in trashcan.
you hit me AGAIN.. i kick you in the cunt/balls and push you down the stairs

Be creative.. Turn it all abck on her 3x. Dont take shit from her or she will continue to assume she can just walk all over you. Make a line.. Remind her if she crosses it you will kick the shit out of her... She hit harder than you? fine beat her with a shoe. Srsly.. dont put up with that shit.. if i was you i woulda kicked the shit out of her.. no lie..she would have never done that shit again...Tell your mother to grow a backbone... Children can only learn if they are beaten. :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll:

KTHXBAI...
PS i dont mean to be a jerk. but....an assbeating goes a long way
Okay big boy.
First off, physical harm is NO WAY TO SOLVE YOU PROBLEMS.

If you want any respect from anyone, threatening and physically harming them is NO way to get it.

I also don't believe for a second you do what you say... Just another internet tough guy but w/e.

Using physical harm as a solution to your problems regarding other people and FAMILY, is simply a juvenile and irresponsible way of solving a problem. If you want any respect for yourself as well, it's better to solve your problem with actually thinking a logical and rational solution while still standing your ground and standing up for yourself. But again, using physical harm to solve a problem really only shows you can't actually deal with that problem, and don't have the mental capacity to, and simply fall to physical pain as a crutch for solving an issue.

If you think it's masculine to do shit like that, you're wrong. It's not. What's more masculine is finding a logical solution to the problem and standing up for yourself while gaining respect from people. Using physical harm to inflict fear on a person and to solve a problem really only shows you're weak. Not masculine, not superior, not strong, weak.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cake Faice on June 21, 2011, 09:43:03 AM
this is
exactly what
my sister
is becoming.

but shes 12.

mine is nearing that point
but shes 11.

Oh and Seb, even if you're against physical harm...kid like that still need a ass-whooping. Seriously, tell your mother to put her foot down, take out the belt, and smach away. Usually on a few occasions when I go to the market for groceries, there is always a screaming, 5 year old little shit who wants to bag all of the candy in the cart...and when the parents remove it, the kid screams bloody murder. If kids cannot be taught respect the easy way, you have to put fear in their eyes so they remember respect. If not, then ground her, take away her rights, limit her food intake and TV time and such.

Even then if that does not work...Anger Management Counseling/Course/Camp?
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Rocket50 on June 21, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
Heres what i did to my younger sibling when i got pissed off over something they did..

You hit me imma hit you with a broom handle..
You break my shit i break half your shit.
you steal my shit i break the other half..
you lie to me i lock you outside/in the garage
you lie to parents about me.. i put you in trashcan.
you hit me AGAIN.. i kick you in the cunt/balls and push you down the stairs

Be creative.. Turn it all abck on her 3x. Dont take shit from her or she will continue to assume she can just walk all over you. Make a line.. Remind her if she crosses it you will kick the shit out of her... She hit harder than you? fine beat her with a shoe. Srsly.. dont put up with that shit.. if i was you i woulda kicked the shit out of her.. no lie..she would have never done that shit again...Tell your mother to grow a backbone... Children can only learn if they are beaten. :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll:

KTHXBAI...
PS i dont mean to be a jerk. but....an assbeating goes a long way
For god sakes, you're the older one, you're suppose to handle bad behavior in a respectable adult manner, not by beating your sibling up after every incident. What is she going to learn from this? Hitting and beating up someone is okay after every wronging?

This is how bullies and hyperagression start
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Peetah on June 21, 2011, 10:03:57 AM
For god sakes, you're the older one, you're suppose to handle bad behavior in a respectable adult manner, not by beating your sibling up after every incident. What is she going to learn from this? Hitting and beating up someone is okay after every wronging?

This is how bullies and hyperagression start
Ok so when she does something bad.
Give her a burger.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Rocket50 on June 21, 2011, 10:05:54 AM
Ok so when she does something bad.
Give her a burger.

Beating a person up isnt exactly the best way of handling shit
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: DrOctagonnapus on June 22, 2011, 08:20:37 AM
Raised in the south i was taught that if you want your/a child to listen some physical reactions can solve SOME problems. Granted what i said does not apply to some people. But if i had a younger sibling that picked on my like you said.... i would do exactly what i said... Apparently she does not listen to anything people says because it continues to happen? So something has to kick her in the ass to make her see what she is doing is wrong. its not the best way to go about fixing the problem but it will get some immediate results. . . Im sorry but getting beat up by a younger sister is... kinda... well.. in my own opinion... bad.. I refuse to take shit from anyone so thats where i stand on that.


If you want the problems to stop without violence etc.. Look up your local DCF office or child services.. And give them a call and explain what is happening. Have them come down and witness this activity ... They will get her special help just for her set of problems. Thats the grown up and responsible way to go about fixing this problem// What i stated a bit ago was simply what i would do if i had a younger sibling picking on me for no reason.. i agree with Cake Face.. Sometimes children just need an assbeating to see what they are doing is wrong.. Ask my father.. He beat the shit out of me all the time.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Sabb on June 22, 2011, 08:28:39 AM
Cake Face, DrOctagonnapus, no.

A good parent shouldn't have to lay a hand on their child.


A good parent is patient with their kid(s) and knows how to handle a situation without physically harming them or putting fear in them...
The whole putting fear in them part I really don't like, because it sounds more like trying to intimidate which creates a lot of resentment.

There's ways other than physically harming a child or putting your responsibilities and issues on someone else to deal with... (DrOctagonnapus)
Children learn not to do things when there are punishments for what they do. Physically harming them and scaring them is not the best way to do it, it's the quickest, easiest, and least responsible way.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: DrOctagonnapus on June 22, 2011, 09:39:39 AM
As your right it isnt right to abuse a child but FEAR is the only thing that keeps people in line. If they didnt worry about police they would steal and murder all the time. The fear of jail keeps people in line.. The fear of a parents reaction keeps children in line. I guess you didnt grow up in the south? Texas/florida its ok to hit your children but there is a fine line between punishments and abuse.. Its not ok to ABUSE a child but wacking them a few times on the butt with a belt goes a long way.

But if you dont like the violence thing refer to what i said last post.

Contact your local child services office.. They have the connections to get her help.. It does work. Google search Child Services <STATE> give them a call.. explain whats going on... I got picked on ALOT as a kid.  it got to the point i just said fuck it one day and started kicking some ass.. best believe i got my ass kicked half the time but i stood up for myself. You need to stand up for yourself. Show her who the older sibling is and respect. She will continue to walk all over you untill you lay down the rules.. Your pretty much putting your tail between your legs and giving her the power she is trying to get by fucking with you in all these ways. CALL CHILD SERVICES.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: DrOctagonnapus on June 22, 2011, 09:46:35 AM
::: If there is no fear... What is stopping her from doing whatever she wants... Hence there forth your problems. She has no fear..at least stand up for yourself.. Or are you going to let her beat you up?:::

Not to insult.

Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Sabb on June 22, 2011, 11:37:27 AM
To be honest, I read the first line of the first post and the second post and TL;DR'd.

So, lets go over a few things here.
Starting with the fact that you -1 me for a difference of opinion.

I didn't insult you, or at least intend to, so -1'ing my posts just because I have a different point of view than you is simply juvenile.
So, really, you're probably too ignorant to listen to what I say and try to understand anything, based off the previous sentence, so I don't know why I'm arguing with you. But oh well. Might as well get my opinion across to other people.


Now lets talk about the fact that you seem not to know how to treat women...
Whether it's your sibling or not, physically abuse a girl like you're making it sound like you do, you're an automatic douche bag. Like, that's probably the most docuhey thing out there. (don't take this as I don't think women can't offend themselves or some shit)


And about the fear shit.
It's stupid.
Period.
Just stupid.

Basically I'll just repeat what I said in the previous post, because clearly you didn't get it.

A GOOD PARENT doesn't HAVE to necessarily inflict fear on their children...
Trying to get your children to fear you is only going to create a fuckload of resentment against you.
I'm also just using the parenting shit as an example. So don't take everything I say literally.

But anyways, proper parenting (or in your case... taking care of your sibling(s) and responsibility?) doesn't involve the parents trying to scare the shit out of their kids so they do what you want them to do.
You can still stand your ground and shit, but you don't have to do it by scaring them... it's an irresponsible, stupid, weak way of taking care of them. Like I said, you can still stand your ground and have a discipline child by using your brain and making punishments and still making it in another way somewhat unpleasant for the kid if they don't obey or some shit.

And even physical harm and fear won't always work.
The reason I hate people that think shit like that and act in such a way is because my father did shit like that, and he was a complete idiot, so he would try to scare the shit out of me and my brother and intimidate us, sometimes using physical force (can't think of a better way to say it) to try to get us to shut up or w/e the reason was, and in the end, it didn't work one tiny bit. Shit eventually happened between him and I before he was kicked out of the house, and now I haven't seen him or made any communication with him in over 3 years.

So you can understand why I have such a strong opinion on that kind of reasoning and justifications.

I'll also have you know, my mom has raised me most of my life (including while my father lived with us), and she's never laid a hand on me, and has never tried inflicting fear or what ever other stupid shit, and I think I came up pretty good.

Also, I'll repeat yet again, hopefully you'll read and make sense of what I say this time, PUSHING YOUR PROBLEMS ONTO OTHER PEOPLE ALSO DOES NOT HELP YOU ANY (child services). It only creates resentment between the two, and eventually it will not get the results you want in most cases.




/rant
/essay
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Rocket50 on June 22, 2011, 01:01:37 PM
Along with Sabbath's speech/rant/essay:

Have you ever seen a parent's expression when they are beating their child? Is it ever sad, or ever distressed because of the fact that they must hurt their child in order to teach them a valuable lesson? No, it's always anger. How do I know? Being the asian child that I am, I was hit as an eight year old.

So let's face it. Parents, or Octagonapuses don't just hit children to teach them a lesson. Sure, they may argue so, but in reality, you're doing it out of blind rage. The 'teach the child a lesson' part, yeah, thats bullshit. It's a rationalization to justify the fact that they cannot control their childish temper so they lash it out in the form of an ass-beating.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Dale Feles on June 22, 2011, 01:56:41 PM
@octagonnapus

As with what Sabb/Rocket said, a GOOD parent never resorts to beating. Have you realized, most adults who commit crimes/beat their own children have been done so by their parents before? When I was young and my dad wanted me to shut up, he never said "IM GONNA WOOP YOUR ASS FUCK FACE" he simply told me to be quiet, and if I kept bugging him, he would raise his voice. He never laid a hand on me, and in my opinion, I think I've been raised well, thanks to my wonderful parents.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cake Faice on June 22, 2011, 02:02:48 PM
So um Sabbath, what would be the nice, moralfag way to handle this situation?

Banned Commercial - Condoms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojWJ6-XmeQ#ws)
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Rocket50 on June 22, 2011, 02:06:22 PM
So um Sabbath, what would be the nice, moralfag way to handle this situation?

Banned Commercial - Condoms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojWJ6-XmeQ#ws)

That child is obviously spoiled, something the parents did before this incident. Physical punishment wouldnt be needed if the parents taught their child proper behavior earlier on.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Sabb on June 22, 2011, 02:33:26 PM
So um Sabbath, what would be the nice, moralfag way to handle this situation?

Banned Commercial - Condoms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojWJ6-XmeQ#ws)
You use a condom.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cake Faice on June 22, 2011, 02:34:33 PM
You use a condom.

(http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/meh.ro4452.png)
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Sabb on June 22, 2011, 02:39:20 PM
(http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/meh.ro4452.png)
Lol, on a serious note, I would take the kid straight fucking home and put him in a timeout or some shit, and talk very firm with him to make him know what he did was wrong.
(there's a difference between talking firm and inducing fear in him)
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cake Faice on June 22, 2011, 02:41:30 PM
Lol, on a serious note, I would take the kid straight fucking home and put him in a timeout or some shit, and talk very firm with him to make him know what he did was wrong.
(there's a difference between talking firm and inducing fear in him)

...Hopefully you wont shop at the same store ever again.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: DrOctagonnapus on June 22, 2011, 03:23:27 PM
As for -1 you. . Is because you -1 my opinion. Why not? and its not ok to beat your children flat out. None of you were raised in the south where Respect reigns.. Its wrong to hit a woman. But as a parents standpoint im sorry but bullying between siblings is outright wrong. Both are causing the problems and i can solve it right quick.. So the points i was raised on Children are to be seen not heard and no backtalking.. yes sir no sir yes maam no maam. Step out of line you get a belt. Dont insult/ downtalk me for answering your post with my opinion on children and how to raise them. i got my ass beat every day from as long as i can remember untill i was 12. then my father sent me on an airplane across the usa by myself. Ok? I was raised diffrent.. You asked a question. i gave an answer.. And as for respect of a woman.. I am pleased to tell you i have never stricken a women ever.. in my entire life.. If i did i would get my ass beat my my mother... she is 40 years old.. and im afraid of her.. And it gets me to think .. And as for "its not ok to beat your children when they do wrong.. " .. Go down south.. Go see the elders there.. Talk back to them if your thier kid or not they gonna smack the shit out of you....

Another point.. I got my ass beat when i did wrong.. Not just because .. but i did wrong and got beat for it.. Let me tell you i never did it again.

But then again before you troll me for my own opinion.. regardless of whatever you think.. You got it easy..
ME:
 Both parents military
Divorced at age 6
Beat every day untill 12.
Hit with glass cups and cut up and scarred
picked on at school. i couldnt take my shirt off for awhile because of the bruises and scars....
DO you even have the slightest idea of what that does to you at that young of an age?
Dont troll me because i belive in violence or call me a douchebag when you dont even know me k?
I dont strike females. But at a sibling standpoint at YOUR age. I dont see much wrong with it because.. She beats your ass and does whatever the hell she wants..

If she didnt do what you stated in your FIRST post. Obviously  the reply would have been diffrent. Im sorry but everyone i know belive in hitting your children when they DO WRONG. There is a huge fucking diffrence in Abusing your children and punishing your children.. What happens if you hit a cop? they beat your ass and send you to jail.. Same concept... Dont critisize me and call me names because my views are different than yours..

Like really your making me to be the bad guy here. When on a for real note you confronted me about my views... granted i responced in an aggressive way that doesn't make it right.. What your doing to me right now... Is THE SAME EXACT THING as me calling you a pussy because your younger sister beats you. Please. I didnt reply to your post to start a flame war or whos is bigger contest. I gave you some advice that has worked for me...

Final note : Beating the shit out of your children is bad.. Hitting them with a belt a few times on the butt is ok if they do something wrong.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: DrOctagonnapus on June 22, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
If you took money from your parents wallet .. and they whipped your ass for it.. Are you gonna do it again?


doubt it.

so w.e -1 me all you want. I like how i am considered to be evil or a douche bag or irresponsible or whatever for posting my views and or opinions
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Sabb on June 22, 2011, 03:36:03 PM
As for -1 you. . Is because you -1 my opinion. Why not? and its not ok to beat your children flat out. None of you were raised in the south where Respect reigns.. Its wrong to hit a woman. But as a parents standpoint im sorry but bullying between siblings is outright wrong. Both are causing the problems and i can solve it right quick.. So the points i was raised on Children are to be seen not heard and no backtalking.. yes sir no sir yes maam no maam. Step out of line you get a belt. Dont insult/ downtalk me for answering your post with my opinion on children and how to raise them. i got my ass beat every day from as long as i can remember untill i was 12. then my father sent me on an airplane across the usa by myself. Ok? I was raised diffrent.. You asked a question. i gave an answer.. And as for respect of a woman.. I am pleased to tell you i have never stricken a women ever.. in my entire life.. If i did i would get my ass beat my my mother... she is 40 years old.. and im afraid of her.. And it gets me to think .. And as for "its not ok to beat your children when they do wrong.. " .. Go down south.. Go see the elders there.. Talk back to them if your thier kid or not they gonna smack the shit out of you....

Another point.. I got my ass beat when i did wrong.. Not just because .. but i did wrong and got beat for it.. Let me tell you i never did it again.

But then again before you troll me for my own opinion.. regardless of whatever you think.. You got it easy..
ME:
 Both parents military
Divorced at age 6
Beat every day untill 12.
Hit with glass cups and cut up and scarred
picked on at school. i couldnt take my shirt off for awhile because of the bruises and scars....
DO you even have the slightest idea of what that does to you at that young of an age?
Dont troll me because i belive in violence or call me a douchebag when you dont even know me k?
I dont strike females. But at a sibling standpoint at YOUR age. I dont see much wrong with it because.. She beats your ass and does whatever the hell she wants..

If she didnt do what you stated in your FIRST post. Obviously  the reply would have been diffrent. Im sorry but everyone i know belive in hitting your children when they DO WRONG. There is a huge fucking diffrence in Abusing your children and punishing your children.. What happens if you hit a cop? they beat your ass and send you to jail.. Same concept... Dont critisize me and call me names because my views are different than yours..

Like really your making me to be the bad guy here. When on a for real note you confronted me about my views... granted i responced in an aggressive way that doesn't make it right.. What your doing to me right now... Is THE SAME EXACT THING as me calling you a pussy because your younger sister beats you. Please. I didnt reply to your post to start a flame war or whos is bigger contest. I gave you some advice that has worked for me...

Final note : Beating the shit out of your children is bad.. Hitting them with a belt a few times on the butt is ok if they do something wrong.
I read half way, got the point and TL;DR'd.

It's stupid to -1 based off a difference of opinion, as I already said, it's juvenile.
As for you trying to prove that you had a rougher childhood, you clearly missed the point.

I wasn't posting that to try and get sympathy for you to pity me... I just wanted you to understand that your thinking doesn't work so well, at least not for me.


And you saying that you had it so rough because you were beaten...
THEN WHY DO YOU SUPPORT IT?

You clearly despise it so much, because it made it really rough for you, or by what you said sounds like it, SO WHY DO YOU WANT THAT FOR OTHER PEOPLE? It doesn't make any sense...

I also don't care if the people in your community beat all their children for the shits and giggles or not, for me, that would just encourage me to be even less violent.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Rocket50 on June 22, 2011, 03:46:51 PM
I read half way, got the point and TL;DR'd.

It's stupid to -1 based off a difference of opinion, as I already said, it's juvenile.
As for you trying to prove that you had a rougher childhood, you clearly missed the point.

I wasn't posting that to try and get sympathy for you to pity me... I just wanted you to understand that your thinking doesn't work so well, at least not for me.


And you saying that you had it so rough because you were beaten...
THEN WHY DO YOU SUPPORT IT?

You clearly despise it so much, because it made it really rough for you, or by what you said sounds like it, SO WHY DO YOU WANT THAT FOR OTHER PEOPLE? It doesn't make any sense...

I also don't care if the people in your community beat all their children for the shits and giggles or not, for me, that would just encourage me to be even less violent.

Im pretty sure he's supporting it so he, in his mind, believes that his current childhood of being physically disciplined is the best, and there was no other possibly better way his parents could've treated him.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Xrain on June 24, 2011, 01:16:09 AM
Parenting... ah yes, there is no "correct" way to do it. It's too complex of a topic to define it in such simple terms.

But previous posts are right, teaching your kids with fear is extremely counter productive and Not effective.

Don't get me wrong there are times an places for spanking and such, (mostly before kids can talk) However, if your kids overwhelming feeling is they fear you (This dosn't mean they are scared when they do somthing wrong) This means that the first feeling they feel when they think of their parents is fear.

You screwed up parenting bad.


For me, I was never scared of being spanked or getting a time out. It was more the feeling, that I disappointed my parents. And this is how it should be, a kid should love and respect their parents, and be sad when they disappoint them.


There is no real surefire way to get this right, as everyone's situation and personality is different, and nothing is guaranteed to work for even most situations. That's why parenting is so hard. All of those "parenting" books might have some good tips, but following them as gospel is a recipe for disaster.



In the OP's situation.

Your sister just wants attention, so she does all the things that she knows will get her some (insulting, hitting, etc.)

This is a tough one since I really don't know anything about her.


My best bet would be to ignore her.

Completely

But for only when she is doing something bad.
- Even if she hits you
- Even if she breaks things
- Even if she cusses up a storm.

But, as soon as she does something nice, be her best friend.

When she does something Bad again, Ignore her completely.

Eventually her need for attention might outgrow her angriness, and she will be nice to you.

Again this isn't guaranteed to work, but if anything it sure will annoy the hell out of her at least. Just go hide anything precious to you.


Hitting her back wont do jack, It will only aggravate the situation.
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Seb on June 24, 2011, 01:13:02 PM
GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS, PEOPLE


the good news is that my mom decided to let me talk and finally admitted that this lardball is a big ball of hate and nids gtfo



BAD NEWS

she decided to hire somebody to help her with her problems, whihc won't work unless the guy's  a fucking wizard or something
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Deacon on June 24, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS, PEOPLE


the good news is that my mom decided to let me talk and finally admitted that this lardball is a big ball of hate and nids gtfo



BAD NEWS

she decided to hire somebody to help her with her problems, whihc won't work unless the guy's  a fucking wizard or something

you never know
sometimes outside influences work better.
Like with tutoring
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Cheesicle on June 24, 2011, 10:10:47 PM
GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS, PEOPLE


the good news is that my mom decided to let me talk and finally admitted that this lardball is a big ball of hate and nids gtfo



BAD NEWS

she decided to hire somebody to help her with her problems, whihc won't work unless the guy's  a fucking wizard or something

So close.... Yet still so far
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: DrOctagonnapus on June 24, 2011, 10:36:24 PM
Regardless of how much you think it may not work.. She is finally getting the help she needs to get in order to control those urges. GJ for getting her to listen!
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: ٶȻhriʂ on June 25, 2011, 09:42:05 AM
Regardless of how much you think it may not work.. She is finally getting the help she needs to get in order to control those urges. GJ for getting her to listen!
Thats good i guess
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: ·UηİŦ·· on June 25, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
Well then I guess... If it's not working in 3-4 weeks or so.

Wait like, 3-7 weeks, just to make it look less like you're trying to get rid of her/supporting her (I guess)

Also cause then your mom can't be all like "Well, give her some more time..."

Well, she could, but not really. Anyways if it dun werks bring attention to your mom that it's not working in a professional matter.

Not like "OH WTF SEE DIS BIETCH NAWT CHAENHGHFAWK U WAST MONY GGAAAAAWWWDDDD"

Like "Hey, I'm trying to be as supportive as I can, but I don't think this is working."

Or something.

Because wasting large sums of monies on some guy for something amazingly Impossible,

is not gud :\
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: ٶȻhriʂ on June 25, 2011, 09:52:55 AM
Well then I guess... If it's not working in 3-4 weeks or so.

Wait like, 3-7 weeks, just to make it look less like you're trying to get rid of her/supporting her (I guess)

Also cause then your mom can't be all like "Well, give her some more time..."

Well, she could, but not really. Anyways if it dun werks bring attention to your mom that it's not working in a professional matter.

Not like "OH WTF SEE DIS BIETCH NAWT CHAENHGHFAWK U WAST MONY GGAAAAAWWWDDDD"

Like "Hey, I'm trying to be as supportive as I can, but I don't think this is working."

Or something.

Because wasting large sums of monies on some guy for something amazingly Impossible,

is not gud :\
Seriously...i dont know what you said
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: ·UηİŦ·· on June 25, 2011, 12:30:38 PM
Seriously...i dont know what you said

That's the point :p

How does EMMEGEWDGSADKDEHFAWKUDODISTOMEMADDAHFAWKDASDF WADDAWFKEKDNSHOMEGEHWD WAIUWESDAMONYONDEHUNCANTHELPDANEGSFG RRAAA-
help anyone  :idk:
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Foofoojack on June 25, 2011, 12:33:06 PM
Well then I guess... If it's not working in 3-4 weeks or so.

Wait like, 3-7 weeks, just to make it look less like you're trying to get rid of her/supporting her (I guess)

Also cause then your mom can't be all like "Well, give her some more time..."

Well, she could, but not really. Anyways if it dun werks bring attention to your mom that it's not working in a professional matter.

Not like "OH WTF SEE DIS BIETCH NAWT CHAENHGHFAWK U WAST MONY GGAAAAAWWWDDDD"

Like "Hey, I'm trying to be as supportive as I can, but I don't think this is working."

Or something.

Because wasting large sums of monies on some guy for something amazingly Impossible,

is not gud :\

this is why i dont read any of your posts
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: ٶȻhriʂ on June 25, 2011, 12:56:10 PM
That's the point :p

How does EMMEGEWDGSADKDEHFAWKUDODISTOMEMADDAHFAWKDASDF WADDAWFKEKDNSHOMEGEHWD WAIUWESDAMONYONDEHUNCANTHELPDANEGSFG RRAAA-
help anyone  :idk:
:idk:
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Arcoyle on June 26, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
I have this same problem. I have tried literally everything with my sister, she is 15 going on 16 in august and she is still an attention starved little bitch. It really is an attention thing/ feelings of being not as loved as the sibling. Violence DOES NOT WORK, tried it. Excessive ridicule, doesn't work. I was a really horrible person to my sister and I regret that. In fact, I was so bad that shes almost hypnotised to immediately cry when i say certain things to her. I really fucked her up and I regret that, as it didnt solve anything and emotionally scarred her.

WHAT DOES WORK: Give her the attention and love her parent's dont. You being from a divorced family that may have caused issues that I don't quite understand as I have never been in that situation. But I think that if you are the one to give her the attention she needs she will eventually adjust in a couple years. It will be a slow process though. Good luck :)
Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Pontus on June 26, 2011, 04:05:01 PM
seems like your sister has sister syndrome disorder a really rare disorder only 3 % of the world have this.

this type of disorder cannot be easily cured it causes the the human body to respond physically to certain situations rather than thinking it through

 might takes months before your sister realizes what she is doing is wrong.

i would get her some help maybe from a doctor that specializes in children rehabilitation.

or atleast give her some discipline show her that you are the boss and make her fear you.

Title: Re: How do I convince my stubborn mom?
Post by: Seb on June 27, 2011, 01:33:27 PM
seems like your sister has sister syndrome disorder a really rare disorder only 3 % of the world have this.

this type of disorder cannot be easily cured it causes the the human body to respond physically to certain situations rather than thinking it through

 might takes months before your sister realizes what she is doing is wrong.

i would get her some help maybe from a doctor that specializes in children rehabilitation.

or atleast give her some discipline show her that you are the boss and make her fear you.
\

Like I said, my mom hired somebody that better be a fucking wizard. Can we lox thread?