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Title: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 24, 2011, 03:59:41 PM
TL:DR VERSION:

- Friend in college had shit stolen from him on campus
- Told by campus security that because of the technical rule prohibiting that item on campus, despite being legal to possess in every state, the person who stole it from him committed no crime at all.
- WTFMYSTERYLOGIC
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Alrighty, so yesterday my friend had $500 in Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic the Gathering cards stolen [well, that's how much it is claimed to be worth, but that is not the point of the thread].  Granted, he did act stupidly by not having them put SAFELY away in his bag, and not keeping his cards / bag very close to him, but still, it sucks.

So, he goes to campus security to get some help - get the police involved - and file a report. 

Now, my college has a very broadly defined "no games" rule [such that you can theoretically get harassed for playing Tic Tac Toe] - that the professors in the building we play in don't give a shit about, and campus security guards for the most part stopped caring about too.  Only the brass, and some of the student govt. people really care.

So anyways, my friend goes to them, and failed.  Instead of being unable to do //much// because of the technical rule, they go so far as to say because of the policy on campus, that no crime was committed at all! [SIC]



WHAT?!?!?!?!


What the flying fuck?

So because a school - a state funded school - has a broadly defined RULE, the LAW does not apply, and we can steal that shit from people without consequence?

And a friend of mine is actually defending this idea - going so far as to compare it to having illegal drugs and having that stolen from you..... then again, though I get along with him well on just about everything else, when it came to the rule he //does// seem to have head head up their asses pretty far.

Seriously, WTF??

Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Cake Faice on March 24, 2011, 04:06:36 PM
Alrighty, so yesterday my friend had $500 in Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic the Gathering cards stolen.

I fucking lol'd.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 24, 2011, 04:25:44 PM
I fucking lol'd.

Indeed, it is pretty stupid to have that much on you all at once - especially if you don;t // USE it [as in play with it]

I could, theoretically steal somebody's cards and not get in trouble using their faulty logic [not that I would, since I'm friends with those people, and don't do that shit to begin with]... really, do people who say these things even THINK about what they say?
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: ursus on March 24, 2011, 04:26:25 PM
that's what he gets for playing yu-gi-oh .__.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: cogsandspigots on March 24, 2011, 04:27:17 PM
Indeed, it is pretty stupid to have that much on you all at once - especially if you don;t // USE it [as in play with it]
I think its pretty stupid it have spent $500 on playing cards. (That's as much as my computer)
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 24, 2011, 04:30:14 PM
I think its pretty stupid it have spent $500 on playing cards. (That's as much as my computer)

THIS is why I am apprehensive about getting into games like MtG - going crazy like that - like I did when Pokémon first came to the 'States [I still have all of my cards [hundreds if not 1,000+] somewhere, untouched for almost 11 years] - going nuts and blowing money on cards like this guy did.

Still, this is ///PARTIALLY/// besides the point - being the use of logic like "It is against a school rule to have X here, therefore having it stolen from you is not a prosecutable crime at all" - think about all the shit somebody can get away with using that logic / reasoning [or lack therefore]  :D
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: cogsandspigots on March 24, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
Still, this is ///PARTIALLY/// besides the point - being the use of logic like "It is against a school rule to have X here, therefore having it stolen from you is not a prosecutable crime at all"

According to that logic, it's perfectly legal to steal pot from guys at school.

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Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Deathie on March 24, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
I remember I used to have this ultra-rare Yu-Gi-Oh card, that was worth 80$ according to ebay.



7 Years later, I don't even know where it is.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Shawn on March 24, 2011, 04:39:17 PM
File a report? realistically speaking here even without the school rule you're never going to find them nor will cops care to look for them. Don't you think they have better things to do than look for stupid cards?
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Cake Faice on March 24, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
Indeed, it is pretty stupid to have that much on you all at once - especially if you don;t // USE it [as in play with it]

I could, theoretically steal somebody's cards and not get in trouble using their faulty logic [not that I would, since I'm friends with those people, and don't do that shit to begin with]... really, do people who say these things even THINK about what they say?

I mean that by failing at money management and blowing $500 on trading cards...
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Jman on March 24, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
Why the fuck would so spend so much on yougayhoe? It's not about that he doesn't play it, nobody should be addicted to playing cars at that age...

Just my opinion btw because I liked pokemon when I was 6 just like everyone else.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Sabb on March 24, 2011, 05:11:06 PM
OH DEAR LORD
I read the first sentence of each of OP's posts and LOL'D TOO HARD.
Couldn't continue reading.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 24, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Don't you think they have better things to do than look for stupid cards?

Well, regardless of whether the perception of value is accurate or not on the part of this person, wouldn't following up on the matter be part of their job?  Of course cards in the grand scheme of things don't carry as much weight as other things - but does that matter?  [I mean, unless it was something EXTREMELY stupid]

My friends in some of the role playing clubs at my last college had some of their foam weapons stolen - and the campus uses real police, not just some people with "security" slapped on their backs - the only reason their attempt to get police help failed was because they left the foam weapons out in the open unattended, and thus, in their eyes, had far less recourse than if they were stored in an unused classroom they had access to, or something to that effect.  And proportionately speaking, such things are far less of a priority than other things, but it was still stolen, and the police did their job following up on the complaint.



Frankly, I watch people play Yu-Gi-Oh, and could never get into it, MtG on the other hand I am finding quite ... interesting ... to say the least.

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Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Sabb on March 24, 2011, 05:14:02 PM
Well, regardless of whether the perception of value is accurate or not on the part of this person, wouldn't following up on the matter be part of their job?  Of course cards in the grand scheme of things don't carry as much weight as other things - but does that matter?  [I mean, unless it was something EXTREMELY stupid]

My friends in some of the role playing clubs at my last college had some of their foam weapons stolen - and the campus uses real police, not just some people with "security" slapped on their backs - the only reason their attempt to get police help failed was because they left the foam weapons out in the open unattended, and thus, in their eyes, had far less recourse than if they were stored in an unused classroom they had access to, or something to that effect.  And proportionately speaking, such things are far less of a priority than other things, but it was still stolen, and the police did their job following up on the complaint.
I made it three sentences that time.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: blαh2355 on March 24, 2011, 05:23:43 PM
No big surprise. ::) Aren't we all?
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 24, 2011, 05:39:09 PM
I think too many people are reading into the wrong parts of the first post: 

Yes, I too wonder who the fuck spends that much money on ANY card game, but how the fuck does bringing something on campus that is not allowed by their rules, that is legal to possess, proxy to say having that stolen from you is not a crime [like my friend, and those with him were told]? 

Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Jman on March 24, 2011, 05:44:55 PM
My friends in some of the role playing clubs at my last college had some of their foam weapons stolen


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry if I sound like an ass, but that's just too funny.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Deathie on March 24, 2011, 05:45:12 PM
I think too many people are reading into the wrong parts of the first post: 

Yes, I too wonder who the fuck spends that much money on ANY card game, but how the fuck does bringing something on campus that is not allowed by their rules, that is legal to possess, proxy to say having that stolen from you is not a crime [like my friend, and those with him were told]?

Because you'll be wasting taxpayer's money to go on a treasure hunt for paper cards.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 24, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
Because you'll be wasting taxpayer's money to go on a treasure hunt for paper cards.

Uh... I don't think the merit or lack therefore of going after alleged crimes being committed against somebody actually determines what is a crime or not, but the laws on the books ... and my point being that campus rules sure as hell don't dictate what penal law states.



Hey Jman, no worries. 

Though my friends may not be as laugh worthy, I'm me, and they are them [though I can understand their lack of playfulness or whatever - being they have been assaulted just for doing what they do - I mean, it is one thing to not get or like what somebody does, but to assault them for doing what they like to do is just weird.  ]
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Sabb on March 24, 2011, 06:09:48 PM
Uh... I don't think the merit or lack therefore of going after alleged crimes being committed against somebody actually determines what is a crime or not, but the laws on the books ... and my point being that campus rules sure as hell don't dictate what penal law states.



Hey Jman, no worries. 

Though my friends may not be as laugh worthy, I'm me, and they are them [though I can understand their lack of playfulness or whatever - being they have been assaulted just for doing what they do - I mean, it is one thing to not get or like what somebody does, but to assault them for doing what they like to do is just weird.  ]
wat
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 24, 2011, 06:12:46 PM
wat

People who enjoy those types of role playing games being assaulted [by their roomates, drunken idjits, or others] solely because they like playing those games.

Kinda pathetic for said people to take their dislike of anybody's [perfectly legal] hobby to that extent if you ask me.  Like if I tried to beat up somebody solely because they like playing GMod [regardless of if playing on rANdOm servers or other servers], or collecting things, or writing specific types of music, or whatnot, that be equally pathetic if you ask me.


My main point was:
- Somebody has something stolen from them
- Because that something was not allowed on campus [though legal to possess], they were told no crime was committed against them by having them taken.

And basically I was wrapping my head around the "logic" behind it, or lack therefore.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Osme on March 24, 2011, 06:59:59 PM
well technically, if someone steals your weed, police have to look into it
remind them that
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: c0mp1337 on March 24, 2011, 11:04:27 PM
should this logic is researched further it might be worse or better.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Carp on March 25, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
time to sue?
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 25, 2011, 04:34:36 AM
should this logic is researched further it might be worse or better.

 ... most of my class bombed our only exam thus far in discrete mathematics, so don't commission them..   :D
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Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Deathie on March 25, 2011, 08:58:56 AM
The police aren't going to waste their time because

- They're toys
- The average value of each card is $0.50
- It'd be impossible to find all of them, better yet, prove they're his.

What do you want the cops to do? Raid the yu-gi-oh black market?
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 25, 2011, 09:20:22 AM
Again, M.D, the point wasn't about whether or not it is worth it to go after the person who stole from my friend - the point was made explicitly clear - that just because the item is not allowed on campus [despite being legal to possess in all 50 states without restriction] does not mean the guy didn't commit a crime against my friend like campus security said to him, and those around him.

Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Shawn on March 25, 2011, 10:25:28 AM
Again, M.D, the point wasn't about whether or not it is worth it to go after the person who stole from my friend - the point was made explicitly clear - that just because the item is not allowed on campus [despite being legal to possess in all 50 states without restriction] does not mean the guy didn't commit a crime against my friend like campus security said to him, and those around him.


actually it does, if the item in question happens to be illegal on the grounds such as your school has stated therefore they don't have to do a dam thing. It becomes your own problem since they forbid you to bring it to school.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Carp on March 25, 2011, 02:57:13 PM
the title of this thread is so fitting xD
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Buzzkill on March 25, 2011, 03:04:05 PM
Awww dude i used to LOVE playing yu-gi-hoe
When i was 7.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 25, 2011, 03:05:35 PM
Awww dude i used to LOVE playing yu-gi-hoe
When i was 7.

I never got into it myself, those games got really stupid conceptually, and rules wise.  I stick to things like MtG, if anything..

Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Buzzkill on March 25, 2011, 03:07:56 PM
I never got into it myself, those games got really stupid conceptually, and rules wise.  I stick to things like MtG, if anything..
Oh ic
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Deathie on March 25, 2011, 03:18:05 PM

actually it does, if the item in question happens to be illegal on the grounds such as your school has stated therefore they don't have to do a dam thing. It becomes your own problem since they forbid you to bring it to school.

Exactly.

They wouldn't go searching the school grounds for a lost pocket knife, why should they use it for cheap cards?
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 25, 2011, 05:43:32 PM

actually it does, if the item in question happens to be illegal on the grounds such as your school has stated...

Against the rules of an institution =/= against the LAW of course... and still, it doesn't change the basic definition of robbery just because you were robbed of to be against the school rules to have on campus [though still LEGAL to possess].


Exactly.

They wouldn't go searching the school grounds for a lost pocket knife, why should they use it for cheap cards?

Uh ... I was not ARGUING that, in fact, I think I already said I think it wasn't something that they would care to look into [but then again, the police at my last college looked into a stolen foam battleaxe, so who knows] ... and for what feels like the 6th time, the problem I have is the idea that a crime is not a crime because it involves something legal to possess but not allowed by a campus rule.... last I checked, larceny/theft was not defined as "The unlawful taking of personal property as an attempt to deprive the rightful owner of it permanently"*
*["unless it involves something a college doesn't allow you to have by policy, but is legal to possess."] 

...


Goddammit, I gotta stop listening to the Danocot 8-bit covers of Sonic 1, 2, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles game music [here for s3&k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taYswNtsX7E&feature=related#ws)] when browsing the internet.... Doomsday Zone 8-bit + over-sensationalized news article on the Japanese disaster = 0_o rush

Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Seb on March 25, 2011, 05:49:43 PM
I remember I used to have this ultra-rare Yu-Gi-Oh card, that was worth 80$ according to ebay.



7 Years later, I don't even know where it is.

DUDE

THAT COULD BE WORTH HUNDREDS BY NOW
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Shawn on March 25, 2011, 05:51:30 PM
Against the rules of an institution =/= against the LAW of course... and still, it doesn't change the basic definition of robbery just because you were robbed of to be against the school rules to have on campus [though still LEGAL to possess].


Uh ... I was not ARGUING that, and for what feels like the 6th time, the problem I have is the idea that a crime is not a crime because it involves something legal to possess but not allowed by a campus rule.   Come on, it isn't THAT HARD to understand.

Arg you just don't get it, its illegal to the school therefore they don't have to do a dam thing! it doesn't matter if its legal elsewhere all that matters is the school doesn't acknowledge it because its forbidding!!!
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Seb on March 25, 2011, 05:51:47 PM
>idjits
lol
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 25, 2011, 05:56:22 PM
>idjits
lol

That's what I get for writing the initial post while watching an episode of the Simpsons that has Abe [Homer's father] saying that word.  0_o
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Deathie on March 25, 2011, 06:43:16 PM
DUDE

THAT COULD BE WORTH HUNDREDS BY NOW
It was a red dragon thing
It's attack/def was like xxxx or something.
let me google it


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content)

Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Don on March 25, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content)
I'm pretty sure I still got this card somewhere.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Seb on March 25, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
It was a red dragon thing
It's attack/def was like xxxx or something.
let me google it


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content)



oh ym god i used to third-grader cum whenever i saw that card

this one kid used to parade it around at school, it got stolen from him one day
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Deathie on March 25, 2011, 06:52:43 PM
oh ym god i used to third-grader cum whenever i saw that card

this one kid used to parade it around at school, it got stolen from him one day

LOL.

SERVES HIM RIGHT.

I remember I put it on a pillow and have it sitting on my desk like a shrine.


Shit, that things worth quite a bit. I need to find the card ;_;
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: ursus on March 25, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
I have over 200 original japanese Pokemon cards from around 1995, in perfect condition.
Two of them are Lugia cards.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: Travelsonic on March 25, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
I have over 200 original japanese Pokemon cards from around 1995, in perfect condition.
Two of them are Lugia cards.

I have ... nowhere near 200 - MAYBE half that - I need to check [could take my stack of cards, use division of the stack's height by the card thickness to get a rough estimate] - all in great shape. ... and lots of the first generation U.S series too.... that I easily have a few hundred of first generation to Gym Leaders / Team Rocket series [and all their corresponding Japanese cards too] - haven't touched them in so many years.... ~_~

Funny thing is, I have a counterfeit Charmeleon card where the light trick [to ID a counterfeit card] doesn't work - well, not really funny, since not all counterfeits are the same.
Title: Re: I'm surrounded by idjits.... >_<
Post by: accelleon on March 25, 2011, 08:07:34 PM
It was a red dragon thing
It's attack/def was like xxxx or something.
let me google it


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400203993051#vi-content)



LOL my brother had all three of those ultimate cards or what-ever when he was 10. then he lost them and found one ripped in half. he also had like 500 pokemon cards, but of course he ruins those too and destroys whatever value they could of had. meh, hes 13 now and not one bit more mature than a 6 yr old -.-