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Title: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 08, 2011, 03:14:28 PM
Dear Mama - 2pac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBtJYgd2OXI#)



Lyrics
[Verse One: 2Pac]

When I was young me and my mama had beef
Seventeen years old kicked out on the streets
Though back at the time, I never thought I'd see her face
Ain't a woman alive that could take my mama's place
Suspended from school; and scared to go home, I was a fool
with the big boys, breakin all the rules
I shed tears with my baby sister
Over the years we was poorer than the other little kids
And even though we had different daddy's, the same drama
When things went wrong we'd blame mama
I reminice on the stress I caused, it was hell
Huggin on my mama from a jail cell
And who'd think in elementary?
Heeey! I see the penitentiary, one day
And runnin from the police, that's right
Mama catch me, put a whoopin to my backside
And even as a crack fiend, mama
You always was a black queen, mama
I finally understand
for a woman it ain't easy tryin to raise a man
You always was committed
A poor single mother on welfare, tell me how ya did it
There's no way I can pay you back
But the plan is to show you that I understand
You are appreciated

[Chorus: Reggie Green & "Sweet Franklin" w/ 2Pac]

Lady...
Don't cha know we love ya? Sweet lady
Dear mama
Place no one above ya, sweet lady
You are appreciated
Don't cha know we love ya?

[second and third chorus, "And dear mama" instead of "Dear mama"]

[Verse Two: 2Pac]

Now ain't nobody tell us it was fair
No love from my daddy cause the coward wasn't there
He passed away and I didn't cry, cause my anger
wouldn't let me feel for a stranger
They say I'm wrong and I'm heartless, but all along
I was lookin for a father he was gone
I hung around with the Thugs, and even though they sold drugs
They showed a young brother love
I moved out and started really hangin
I needed money of my own so I started slangin
I ain't guilty cause, even though I sell rocks
It feels good puttin money in your mailbox
I love payin rent when the rent's due
I hope ya got the diamond necklace that I sent to you
Cause when I was low you was there for me
And never left me alone because you cared for me
And I could see you comin home after work late
You're in the kitchen tryin to fix us a hot plate
Ya just workin with the scraps you was given
And mama made miracles every Thanksgivin
But now the road got rough, you're alone
You're tryin to raise two bad kids on your own
And there's no way I can pay you back
But my plan is to show you that I understand
You are appreciated

[Chorus]

[Verse Three: 2Pac]

Pour out some liquor and I reminsce, cause through the drama
I can always depend on my mama
And when it seems that I'm hopeless
You say the words that can get me back in focus
When I was sick as a little kid
To keep me happy there's no limit to the things you did
And all my childhood memories
Are full of all the sweet things you did for me
And even though I act craaazy
I gotta thank the Lord that you made me
There are no words that can express how I feel
You never kept a secret, always stayed real
And I appreciate, how you raised me
And all the extra love that you gave me
I wish I could take the pain away
If you can make it through the night there's a brighter day
Everything will be alright if ya hold on
It's a struggle everyday, gotta roll on
And there's no way I can pay you back
But my plan is to show you that I understand
You are appreciated

[Chorus]

Sweet lady
And dear mama

Dear mama
Lady [3X]
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 09, 2011, 02:59:07 AM
R.I.P Tupac, you will be forever missed.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Sabb on January 09, 2011, 10:07:49 AM
R.I.P Tupac, you will be forever missed.
Noep
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Foofoojack on January 09, 2011, 06:23:40 PM
Noep
your'e white you wouldnt understand
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 10, 2011, 01:37:33 PM
Noep

Your'e white you wouldnt understand
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 13, 2011, 03:17:36 AM
Huge respect. The only rapper that knew what was up. Never left his kid (until he died), treat women fairly, appreciated his parents.

If only he lived long enough to see the Black President he was talking about in "I Wonder If Heaven Got a Ghetto" or "Changes"

Best rapper I know of, next to the Notorious B.I.G, though I still like Pac better.

Dear Mama
Ghetto Gospel
Changes
Keep Ya Head Up
Those are my favorite Pac songs R.I.P.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Deacon on January 13, 2011, 03:18:59 AM
changes.
ftw.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 13, 2011, 03:26:08 AM
changes.
ftw.

"I see no changes, all I see is racist faces, misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. We under, I wonder what it takes to make this, one better place let's erase the wasted. Take the evil out of people they'll be acting right."

I always loved that verse. I could relate, since I was constantly hated because of my race.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Deacon on January 13, 2011, 03:28:55 AM
"I see no changes, all I see is racist faces, misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. We under, I wonder what it takes to make this, one better place let's erase the wasted. Take the evil out of people they'll be acting right."

I always loved that verse. I could relate, since I was constantly hated because of my race.

I hate being white, cause i read things like this and think "how can people still hate other people over race?"

....

and then i remember my family...

good thing i'm smarter than these redneck fucks
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 13, 2011, 03:34:12 AM
I hate being white, cause i read things like this and think "how can people still hate other people over race?"

....

and then i remember my family...

good thing i'm smarter than these redneck fucks

Well in LA it is quite different. You see, I am less hated by Whites. I am hated by Mexicans and Blacks.

I find so contradictory. Some of those people call themselves Christian. Nothing against Christianity, as I am a Christian myself, but seriously. Your religion teaches you to love one another and treat each other fairly, yet you still hate because of someones appearance? I never understood. Fortunately for me, I do not have a Chinese accent, so I befriended most of the people that were once racist to me.

I can't speak for the Internationals though. Sadly they were still hated just because of the way they spoke.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Deacon on January 13, 2011, 03:54:08 AM
So long as there is ignorance in the world, there will be racism.
So long as there is stupidity in this world, there will be ignorance.
So long as there are bad parents in this world, there will be stupidity.
So long as there are people who think they know better than common sense, we are all fucked.
and So long as there are people who try to sound philosophical, there will be a false sense of education when in reality these people are fucking stupid
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 13, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
Huge respect. The only rapper that knew what was up. Never left his kid (until he died), treat women fairly, appreciated his parents.

If only he lived long enough to see the Black President he was talking about in "I Wonder If Heaven Got a Ghetto" or "Changes"

Best rapper I know of, next to the Notorious B.I.G, though I still like Pac better.

Dear Mama
Ghetto Gospel
Changes
Keep Ya Head Up
Those are my favorite Pac songs R.I.P.

Heres your fav vids:

2Pac - Changes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Y9-JlSRXw#ws)
Ghetto Gospel-2Pac ft. Elton John/Power Point (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkyhbibKtCs&feature=fvst#)
2Pac - Keep Ya Head Up (Full HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuK-d-HbDe0#ws)

Worst years

1994 - Birth of justin bieber.

1995 - Eazy-E's death

1996 - Tupac's death.

1997 - Biggie's death
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 14, 2011, 09:33:57 PM
Heres your fav vids:

2Pac - Changes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Y9-JlSRXw#ws)
Ghetto Gospel-2Pac ft. Elton John/Power Point (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkyhbibKtCs&feature=fvst#)
2Pac - Keep Ya Head Up (Full HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuK-d-HbDe0#ws)

Worst years

1994 - Birth of justin bieber.

1995 - Eazy-E's death

1996 - Tupac's death.

1997 - Biggie's death

I freaking love you.

My respect for you just rose
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 15, 2011, 08:21:15 AM
I freaking love you.

My respect for you just rose

its good to see there's still peole in this world who has good taste in music.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 15, 2011, 08:50:11 AM
its good to see there's still peole in this world who has good taste in music.

yuzz
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Devie on January 15, 2011, 12:57:22 PM
I find so contradictory. Some of those people call themselves Christian. Nothing against Christianity, as I am a Christian myself, but seriously. Your religion teaches you to love one another and treat each other fairly, yet you still hate because of someones appearance? I never understood.

THIS. I never quite understood as well. It sucks to get those gleaming evil looks when I go to public places or church with proudly as I hold his hand. As if theyre saying through their eyes "What the hell is he doing with her? She's not white. This should be considered a sin!".

and then i remember my family...

good thing i'm smarter than these redneck fucks

Living in a state where it's full of "rednecks", it is frowned upon to marry someone outside of your own race which is white usually. Thank GOD proudlys family is NOT like that! I wouldn't be able to stand it.

I can't stand living here. Even if it's beautiful, nice and it's perfect to raise a family - I won't get anywhere, since I'm judged by the way I look a little more than it should be.. How many jobs I have applied for and gotten turned down because I was asian..

And I swore to myself I won't be close minded as the rest of the world is.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 15, 2011, 03:07:01 PM
THIS. I never quite understood as well. It sucks to get those gleaming evil looks when I go to public places or church with proudly as I hold his hand. As if theyre saying through their eyes "What the hell is he doing with her? She's not white. This should be considered a sin!".

Living in a state where it's full of "rednecks", it is frowned upon to marry someone outside of your own race which is white usually. Thank GOD proudlys family is NOT like that! I wouldn't be able to stand it.

I can't stand living here. Even if it's beautiful, nice and it's perfect to raise a family - I won't get anywhere, since I'm judged by the way I look a little more than it should be.. How many jobs I have applied for and gotten turned down because I was asian..

And I swore to myself I won't be close minded as the rest of the world is.


you girl, are on of the Bravest i seen  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 15, 2011, 05:19:54 PM
THIS. I never quite understood as well. It sucks to get those gleaming evil looks when I go to public places or church with proudly as I hold his hand. As if theyre saying through their eyes "What the hell is he doing with her? She's not white. This should be considered a sin!".

Living in a state where it's full of "rednecks", it is frowned upon to marry someone outside of your own race which is white usually. Thank GOD proudlys family is NOT like that! I wouldn't be able to stand it.

I can't stand living here. Even if it's beautiful, nice and it's perfect to raise a family - I won't get anywhere, since I'm judged by the way I look a little more than it should be.. How many jobs I have applied for and gotten turned down because I was asian..

And I swore to myself I won't be close minded as the rest of the world is.

Coolz nid change +1 limit t0 100000000000000 So I can +1 this 100000000000000 times.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Deacon on January 15, 2011, 05:21:19 PM
THIS. I never quite understood as well. It sucks to get those gleaming evil looks when I go to public places or church with proudly as I hold his hand. As if theyre saying through their eyes "What the hell is he doing with her? She's not white. This should be considered a sin!".

Living in a state where it's full of "rednecks", it is frowned upon to marry someone outside of your own race which is white usually. Thank GOD proudlys family is NOT like that! I wouldn't be able to stand it.

I can't stand living here. Even if it's beautiful, nice and it's perfect to raise a family - I won't get anywhere, since I'm judged by the way I look a little more than it should be.. How many jobs I have applied for and gotten turned down because I was asian..

And I swore to myself I won't be close minded as the rest of the world is.


I'm sorry you have to deal with that crap. I don't understand what it is about a particular part of this country. So proud of their past without being there...only living off of their parents' ignorance....celebrating (annually) a war against the country they claim to love so much....that they LOST.

Now you might not live in the south, but still
/rant

Fucking people. I swear, they will never learn. Skin color, Religion, Sexuality....none of it matters. But as long as it continues, the world is fucked





Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 15, 2011, 05:23:36 PM

I'm sorry you have to deal with that crap. I don't understand what it is about a particular part of this country. So proud of their past without being there...only living off of their parents' ignorance....celebrating (annually) a war against the country they claim to love so much....that they LOST.

Now you might not live in the south, but still
/rant

Fucking people. I swear, they will never learn. Skin color, Religion, Sexuality....none of it matters. But as long as it continues, the world is fucked

My parents were always a LITTLE racist to Mexican and Blacks. I don't know why. It just seems to be a never-ending war of hate between them.

Oh and my parents and Grandparents really REALLY hate the japanese... For what they did to the Chinese in WWII. Some grudges will never be fixed.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 15, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
Im kinda glad i posted this song and all of this turned into this thread about racism, sexuaity.. etc.  i think we should all take time to learn about this thread, and see the brighter side of life.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Deacon on January 15, 2011, 05:37:54 PM
My parents were always a LITTLE racist to Mexican and Blacks. I don't know why. It just seems to be a never-ending war of hate between them.

Oh and my parents and Grandparents really REALLY hate the japanese... For what they did to the Chinese in WWII. Some grudges will never be fixed.

unfortunately, the japanese invasion was worse than what we did to them (the nukes)
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 15, 2011, 06:24:44 PM
unfortunately, the japanese invasion was worse than what we did to them (the nukes)

Exactly :/
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Don on January 15, 2011, 06:29:34 PM
unfortunately, the japanese invasion was worse than what we did to them (the nukes)
Yea uhm
no.
Chinese guerrilla forces did much, much more to Japan than they ever could've done to any countey whatsoever.

Anyway, I suppose I'm quite lucky with my origins.
The only mention of me being Swiss in England I ever hear is "ooooh! I love your accent!".
Seriously.
It's amazing.
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Deacon on January 15, 2011, 06:38:59 PM
Yea uhm
no.
Chinese guerrilla forces did much, much more to Japan than they ever could've done to any countey whatsoever.

Anyway, I suppose I'm quite lucky with my origins.
The only mention of me being Swiss in England I ever hear is "ooooh! I love your accent!".
Seriously.
It's amazing.

google 'nanking'
then present counterargument
(seriously. i'm not familiar with chinese history, i want to know; regardless of how that statement sounds, i am not trying to start an arguement.)
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 15, 2011, 07:33:05 PM
Yea uhm
no.
Chinese guerrilla forces did much, much more to Japan than they ever could've done to any countey whatsoever.

Anyway, I suppose I'm quite lucky with my origins.
The only mention of me being Swiss in England I ever hear is "ooooh! I love your accent!".
Seriously.
It's amazing.

Chinese War Crimes:
in 1937 near Shanghai, the killing, torture and assault of Japanese POWs and Chinese civilians accused of collaboration, were recorded in photographs taken by Swiss businessman Tom Simmen. (In 1996, Simmen's son released the pictures, showing Nationalist Chinese soldiers involved in arbitrary executions by decapitation and shooting, as well as public torture.)
the Tungchow Mutiny of August 1937; Chinese soldiers recruited by Japan mutinied and switched sides in Tōngzhōu, Beijing, before attacking Japanese civilians and killing 280.
Nationalist troops in Hubei Province, during May 1943, ordered whole towns to evacuate and then "plundered" them; any civilians who refused and/or were unable to leave, were killed.

Total: 500-1000

Japanese War Crimes:
 the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most likely 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937-38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 300,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.
Additionally, captured allied service personnel were massacred in various incidents, including:

Laha massacre
Banka Island massacre
Parit Sulong
Palawan massacre
SS Tjisalak massacre perpetrated by Japanese submarine I-8
Wake Island massacre - See Battle of Wake Island
Bataan Death March

Human experimentation and biological warfare
Shiro Ishii, commander of Unit 731.Special Japanese military units conducted experiments on civilians and POWs in China. One of the most infamous was Unit 731 under Shirō Ishii. Victims were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia, amputations, and were used to test biological weapons, among other experiments. Anesthesia was not used because it was believed to affect results.


Total: 3,000,000 - 10,000,000

WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Dale Feles on January 16, 2011, 04:38:02 AM
Chinese War Crimes:
in 1937 near Shanghai, the killing, torture and assault of Japanese POWs and Chinese civilians accused of collaboration, were recorded in photographs taken by Swiss businessman Tom Simmen. (In 1996, Simmen's son released the pictures, showing Nationalist Chinese soldiers involved in arbitrary executions by decapitation and shooting, as well as public torture.)
the Tungchow Mutiny of August 1937; Chinese soldiers recruited by Japan mutinied and switched sides in Tōngzhōu, Beijing, before attacking Japanese civilians and killing 280.
Nationalist troops in Hubei Province, during May 1943, ordered whole towns to evacuate and then "plundered" them; any civilians who refused and/or were unable to leave, were killed.

Total: 500-1000

Japanese War Crimes:
 the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most likely 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937-38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 300,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.
Additionally, captured allied service personnel were massacred in various incidents, including:

Laha massacre
Banka Island massacre
Parit Sulong
Palawan massacre
SS Tjisalak massacre perpetrated by Japanese submarine I-8
Wake Island massacre - See Battle of Wake Island
Bataan Death March

Human experimentation and biological warfare
Shiro Ishii, commander of Unit 731.Special Japanese military units conducted experiments on civilians and POWs in China. One of the most infamous was Unit 731 under Shirō Ishii. Victims were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia, amputations, and were used to test biological weapons, among other experiments. Anesthesia was not used because it was believed to affect results.


Total: 3,000,000 - 10,000,000

WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It sadden's me to see all this cruelty, why do we need these wars, it seems each time the human race has an opportunity, they will start a new war, either for domination, religion, race  (black@white),  Etc......  :(
Title: Re: Dear mama
Post by: Cheesicle on January 16, 2011, 04:42:08 AM
It sadden's me to see all this cruelty, why do we need these wars, it seems each time the human race has an opportunity, they will start a new war, either for domination, religion, race  (black@white),  Etc......  :(

Yeah...

T-T