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.:`=-~rANdOm~`-=:. Game Servers (Read Only) => Discussion => Topic started by: ○ Μαρία ○ on October 17, 2012, 04:46:45 AM
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Since this is the main thing that has been happening lately, I thought I'd ask the opinion of the fellow members who live here in the United States And care enough, what their opinions are on the candidates(not saying others outside the country can't add their input in as well, but since they don't live here I am sure they don't have half as much to say about it)
Please keep this civil, this I meant as a viewing of others personal thoughts, not as an attack. I realize that sometimes topics involving politics can get out of hand quickly.
Anyways, discuss!
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Well, to be honest I really don't know.
I've done research, but there's not a lot of credible stuff out there on them without bias.
In the end, they are just the head of the executive branch.
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honestly, both candidates suck dick. so romney is going for this cut everything kind of thing, which i'm all for, but then he and ryan want to spend almost 1hunna billion dollars to the defense budget so fuck that. i hate capitalism because it makes people greedy fuckheads. fuck america.
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I will be voting for Obama, for a few reasons. But the main one is that I love how he talks. He can communicate effectively (don't get me wrong; he's still a politician and we know what that means) and in a manner I've never had from an elected official. When I learned about the roles of government, I had Bush as an example. He couldn't give a speech without inventing new words. Obama just stutters every now and again but can inspire you with his words. I love that.
Now as far as the candidates are concerned, we are forced to pick the lesser of 2 evils. I found this quote once that sums it up perfectly.
I feel that Mitt Romney would sell my grandmother, while President Obama would give her to someone who is not fortunate enough to have one.
Either way, Grandmas gone.
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I like how people are still considering voting for Romney after he outright said he plans to start a trade war with China during the debate.
Shit nigga, what are you doing.
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Romney contradicts himself almost every time he's on camera.
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People always say that Obama hasn't done anything and that Romney would be able to "fix" all of "the issues".
I always feel inclined to point out that I'd rather have a president that does nothing over a president that would harm us.
Plus, the Republican stance on several issues (global warming, China, homosexual rights, etc. etc.) makes me want to scream in rage.
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Romney is going to ban porn and piracy.
NO.
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(http://so-calledgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/yepyepyep.jpg)
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honestly, both candidates suck dick. so romney is going for this cut everything kind of thing, which i'm all for, but then he and ryan want to spend almost 1hunna billion dollars to the defense budget so fuck that. i hate capitalism because it makes people greedy fuckheads. fuck america.
you know it probably still works better then most other systems.
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I think that Obama brung the heat the second debate and actually called Romney on his bullshit
MITT ROMNEY: I certainly do. I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.
BARACK OBAMA: That's what I said.
MITT ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.
BARACK OBAMA: Please proceed.
MITT ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?
BARACK OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.
MITT ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.
BARACK OBAMA: Get the transcript.
CANDY CROWLEY: He did in fact, sir. So let me call it an act of terror in the Rose Garden.
BARACK OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?
CANDY CROWLEY: You used the word. He did call it an act of terror. It did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You're correct about that.
MITT ROMNEY: That wasn't a question. That was a statement. I don't think the American people believe that. I will fight for oil, coal, and natural gas. And the proof of whether a strategy is working or not is what the price is that you're paying at the pump. If you're paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why then, the strategy is working. But you're paying more.
When the President took office, the price of gasoline here in Nassau County was about $1.86 a gallon. Now it's $4 a gallon. Price of electricity is up. If the President's energy policies are working, you're going to see the cost of energy come down. I will fight to create more energy in this country, to get America energy-secure. And part of that is bringing in a pipeline of oil from Canada, taking advantage of the oil and coal we have here, drilling offshore in Alaska, drilling offshore in Virginia, where the people want it. Those things will get us the energy we need.
CANDY CROWLEY: Mr. President, could you address-- because we did finally get to gas prices here. Could you address what the Governor said, which is if your energy policy was working, the price of gasoline would not be $4 a gallon here. Is that true?
BARACK OBAMA: Well, think about what the Governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse. Because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney is now promoting.
So it's conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices, because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess. What I want to do is to create an economy that is strong, and at the same time, produce energy. And with respect to this pipeline that Governor Romney keeps on talking about-- we've built enough pipeline to wrap around the entire Earth once.
So I'm all for pipelines, I'm all for oil production. What I'm not for is us ignoring the other half of the equation. So for example, on wind energy, when Governor Romney says these are imaginary jobs-- when you've got thousands of people, right now in Iowa, right now in Colorado, who are working, creating wind power, with good-paying manufacturing jobs, and the Republican Senator in Iowa is all for it, providing tax credits to help this work, and Governor Romney says I'm opposed, I'd get rid of it-- that's not an energy strategy for the future. And we need to win that future. And I intend to win it, as President of the United States.
AUDIENCE: President? Romney, what do you plan on doing with immigrants without their green cards that are currently living here as productive members of society?
MITT ROMNEY: Thank you, Lorraine. Did I get that right? Good. Thank you for your question. And let me step back and tell you what I'd like to do with our immigration policy broadly and include an answer to your question.
First of all, this is a nation of immigrants. We welcome people coming to this country as immigrants. My dad was born in Mexico of American parents. Ann's dad was born in Wales and is a first-generation American. We welcome legal immigrants into this country.
I want our legal system to work better. I want it to be streamlined. I want it to be clearer. I don't think you should have to hire a lawyer to figure out how to get into this country legally.
I also think that we should give visas to people-- green cards, rather-- to people who graduate with skills that we need. People around the world with accredited degrees in science and math get a green card stapled to their diploma. Come to the US of A. We should make sure that our legal system works.
Number two, we're going to have to stop illegal immigration. There are four million people who are waiting in line to get here legally. Those who've come here illegally take their place. So I will not grant amnesty to those who come here illegally.
What I will do is I'll put in place an employment verification system and make sure that employers that hire people who have come here illegally are sanctioned for doing so. I won't put in place-- of those that came here illegally-- those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States. And military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident.
Now, when the President ran for office, he said that he'd put in place in his first year a piece of legislation, he'd file a bill in his first year that would reform our immigration system, protect legal immigration, stop illegal immigration. He didn't do it.
He had a Democrat House, a Democrat Senate, super majority in both houses. Why did he fail to even promote legislation that would have provided an answer for those that want to come here legally and for those that are here illegally today? That's a question I think the President will have a chance to answer right now.
BARACK OBAMA: Good, I look forward to it. Was it Lorraina? Lorraine.
We are a nation of immigrants. I mean, we're just a few miles away from Ellis Island. We all understand what this country has become because talent from all around the world wants to come here-- people who are willing to take risks, people who want to build on their dreams and make sure their kids have even bigger dreams than they have.
But we're also a nation of laws. So what I've said is we need to fix a broken immigration system. And I've done everything that I can on my own and sought cooperation from Congress to make sure that we fixed the system.
First thing we did was to streamline the legal immigration system, to reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler, and cheaper for people who were waiting in line, obeying the law, to make sure that they can come here and contribute to our country. And that's good for our economic growth. They'll start new business. They'll make things happen, create jobs here in the United States.
Number two, we do have to deal with our border. So we put more border patrol on than any time in history. And the flow of undocumented workers across the border is actually lower than it's been in 40 years.
What I've also said is if we're going to go after folks who are here illegally, we should do it smartly and go after folks who are criminals, gang bangers, people who are hurting the community-- not after students. Not after folks who are here just because they're trying to figure out how to feed their families.
And that's what we've done. And what I've also said is for young people who come here, brought here oftentimes by their parents, have gone to school here, pledged allegiance to the flag, think of this as their country, understand themselves as Americans in every way except having papers, then we should make sure that we give them a pathway to citizenship. And that's what I've done administratively.
Now, Governor Romney just said that he wants to help those young people, too. But during the Republican primary, he said, I will veto the DREAM Act that would allow these young people to have access.
His main strategy during the Republican primary was to say, we're going to encourage self-deportation-- making life so miserable on folks that they'll leave. He called the Arizona law a model for the nation. Part of the Arizona law said that law enforcement officers could stop folks because they suspected maybe they looked like they might be undocumented workers and check their papers.
And you know what? If my daughter or yours looks to somebody like they're not a citizen, I don't want to empower somebody like that. So we can fix this system in a comprehensive way.
And when Governor Romney says, the challenge is, well, Obama didn't try-- that's not true. I sat down with Democrats and Republicans at the beginning of my term. And I said, let's fix the system including senators previously who supported it on the Republican side.
But it's very hard for Republicans in Congress to support comprehensive immigration reform if their standard-bearer has said that this is not something I'm interested in supporting.
CANDY CROWLEY: Let me get the Governor in here, Mr. President. Let's speak to, if you could, Mr. Governor, the idea of self-deportation.
MITT ROMNEY: No, let me go back and speak to the points that the President made. And let's get them correct.
I did not say that the Arizona law was a model for the nation in that aspect. I said that the E-Verify portion of the Arizona law, which is the portion of the law which says that employers could be able to determine whether someone is here illegally or not illegally, that that was a model for the nation. That's number one.
Number two, I asked the President a question I think Hispanics and immigrants all over the nation have asked. He was asked this on Univision the other day. Why, when you said you'd file legislation in your first year, didn't you do it? And he didn't answer. He doesn't answer that question.
He said the standard-bearer wasn't for it. I'm glad you thought I was a standard-bearer four years ago, but I wasn't. Four years ago, you said in your first year, you would file legislation.
In his first year-- I was just licking my wounds from having been beaten by John McCain, all right? I was not the standard-bearer. My view is that this President should have honoured his promise to do as he said.
Now, let me mention one other thing, and that is self-deportation says let people make their own choice. What I was saying is we're not going to round up 12 million people, undocumented illegals, and take them out of the nation. Instead, let make people make their own choice.
And if they find that they can't get the benefits here that they want and they can't find the job that they want, then they'll make a decision to go a place where they have better opportunities. But I'm not in favour of rounding up people and taking them out of this country. I am in favour, as the President has said and I agree with him, which is that if people have committed crimes, we've got to get them out of this country.
Let me mention something else the President said a moment ago and I didn't get a chance to, when he was describing Chinese investments and so for.
BARACK OBAMA: Candy, hold on a second.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
MITT ROMNEY: Mr. President I'm still speaking.
CANDY CROWLEY: I'm sorry, Mr.--
MITT ROMNEY: Mr. President, won't you let me finish?
BARACK OBAMA: Governor Romney--
CANDY CROWLEY: Go ahead and finish, Governor Romney. Governor Romney, if you could make it short. See all these people? They've been waiting for you. Could you make it short, and then--?
MITT ROMNEY: I'm just going to make a point. Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in Chinese companies. Mr. president, have you looked at your pension? Have you looked at your pension?
BARACK OBAMA: I've got to say--
MITT ROMNEY: Mr. President, have you looked at your pension?
BARACK OBAMA: You know, I don't look at my pension. It's not as big as yours, so it doesn't take as long.
MITT ROMNEY: Well, let me give you some advice.
BARACK OBAMA: I don't check it that often.
MITT ROMNEY: Let me give you some advice. Look at your pension. You also have investments in Chinese companies. You also have investments outside the United States. You also have investments through a Caymans trust.
CANDY CROWLEY: And we're way off-topic, Governor Romney.
BARACK OBAMA: We're a little off-topic here, come on.
CANDY CROWLEY: Completely off the immigration.
BARACK OBAMA: I thought we were talking about immigration.
CANDY CROWLEY: And we were, so quickly Mr. President.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
MITT ROMNEY: I came back to it just [INAUDIBLE].
BARACK OBAMA: I do want to make sure that--
CANDY CROWLEY: If I could have you sit down, Governor Romney? Thank you.
BARACK OBAMA: I do want to make sure that we just understand something. Governor Romney says he wasn't referring to Arizona as a model for the nation. His top adviser on immigration is the guy who designed the Arizona law, the entirety of it. Not E-Verify, the whole thing. That's his policy. And it's a bad policy. And it won't help us grow.
Look, when we think about immigration, we have to understand there are folks all around the world who still see America as the land of promise. And they provide us energy. And they provide us innovation. And they start companies like Intel and Google. And we want to encourage that.
Now, we've got to make sure that we do it in a smart way, in a comprehensive way, and we make the legal system better. But when we make this into a divisive political issue, and when we don't have bipartisan support-- I can deliver, Governor, a whole bunch of Democrats to get comprehensive immigration reform done. And we can't--
MITT ROMNEY: I'd get it done first year.
BARACK OBAMA: We have not seen Republicans serious--
CANDY CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me move you on here, please.
BARACK OBAMA: --about this issue at all.
CANDY CROWLEY: Mr. President?
BARACK OBAMA: And it's time for them to get serious on it.
CANDY CROWLEY: Don't go away though.
BARACK OBAMA: This used to be a bipartisan issue.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/10/2012101792225913980.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/10/2012101792225913980.html)
Now Obama isn't the best candidate, but he's sure as hell better than Romney.
The GOP has not been to good on the truth department since the Reagan years.
Romney is just a more charismatic version of Bush, or a less charismatic version of Reagan; which way you like to put it. With his tax plans that don't really back up, flip flopping about abortion, coal, deportation, etc., repealing Obamacare, even though Romneycare (healthcare in the state of Massachusetts) being near the same damn thing, and returning to Bush era policy. The guy just isn't likeable to me.
The GOP is just out of touch with reality and America.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/10/2012101792225913980.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/10/2012101792225913980.html)
>citing aljazeera as a source
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>citing aljazeera as a source
I don't see what is wrong with Al Jazeera.
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Yeah both aren't the best candidates but if I was 18 and could vote I would be voting for Obama. I agree what you say about Romney being a 'more charismatic version of Bush' who was pretty much the one who wrecked the economy in the first place.
I think we all wish Neil deGrasse Tyson would run for president, though.
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I think we all wish Neil deGrasse Tyson would run for president, though.
The problem with that is even though he is smart scientifically, he more than likely isn't as experienced with economics and domestic and international issues.
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The problem with that is even though he is smart scientifically, he more than likely isn't as experienced with economics and domestic and international issues.
David Palmer 2012.
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Being as unbiased as I possibly can Obama was slaughtered in the first debate, Ryan and Biden in the second debate seemed pretty even I just really didn't like Biden's attitude he seemed like the most disrespectful cunt in the world, laughing when Ryan would speak on a topic, talking down to him etc. The second presidential debate (between Obama and Romney) was just atrocious I couldn't get past either of their poor manners and shitty decorum to see enough of their actual arguments. They constantly interrupted, poked, prodded, accused, and simply spoke to the other in a demeaning way. It was easily the worst presidential debate I've seen in my lifetime for both parties. As for their actual statements Romney did have a few major slip ups, but Obama didn't make any groundbreaking statements and I felt he just restated the same things he did in 08. The fact of the matter is Obama isn't a president who's done nothing he's a president who's been a negative influence upon our economy which should be; as of now, our biggest priority as a nation. Their simply isn't enough working class citizens to support those who don't it's just not possible in our society, now if we wanted to convert to socialism all together instead of limp dicking around and calling it "radical left wing" I might be a bit more appeased. Romney is really no better as a candidate overall but his strong economic background and economic policy is simply better for stimulating growth. Romneys social policy is shit, he's someone I'd consider borderline religious wack-job, and he doesn't comprehend the rapid expansion of technology but the one thing he does understand is economics and guess fucking what, that's what we need right now most.
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Romneys social policy is shit, he's someone I'd consider borderline religious wack-job, and he doesn't comprehend the rapid expansion of technology but the one thing he does understand is economics and guess fucking what, that's what we need right now most.
He understands ecomonics just as well as Bush did.
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I think that Obama brung the heat the second debate and actually called Romney on his bullshit
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/10/2012101792225913980.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/10/2012101792225913980.html)
Now Obama isn't the best candidate, but he's sure as hell better than Romney.
The GOP has not been to good on the truth department since the Reagan years.
Romney is just a more charismatic version of Bush, or a less charismatic version of Reagan; which way you like to put it. With his tax plans that don't really back up, flip flopping about abortion, coal, deportation, etc., repealing Obamacare, even though Romneycare (healthcare in the state of Massachusetts) being near the same damn thing, and returning to Bush era policy. The guy just isn't likeable to me.
The GOP is just out of touch with reality and America.
not a true southerner
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not a true southerner
Yeah, I actually think rationally.
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Yeah, I actually think rationally.
Finally, someone who gets it!
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I think people overestimate the power of the president in government.
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I think people overestimate the power of the president in government.
That's because Hawaii is pretty much it's own country and is barely affected by the government.
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Well I thought Ron Paul would be our best bet but he dropped out.
I just highly doubt america will have a good president for a very long time. That's just me though
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Well I thought Ron Paul would be our best bet but he dropped out.
Ron Paul would have been a much better Republican candidate IMO.
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That's because Hawaii is pretty much it's own country and is barely affected by the government.
I moved to Alaska for college :d
Hey it's not like a territory lmao xD. All states are under federal laws equally...and that supersedes state laws.
Maybe you meant we have less influence in the electoral college...that's true. Alaska has like two votes, hawaii 3, and california 55 or something crazy.
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By the way, this is the website I use to check polls:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/)
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That's Terroris Bro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv-1dXMKkJE#ws)
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That's Terroris Bro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv-1dXMKkJE#ws)
Yea, though we sought threads
Without the bullshit, you must
Come here with this shit.
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(http://puu.sh/1g1IY)
Guess my strong support for Obama comes from the fact I'm a serious California kid.
>I'm the equivalent of a die hard southern religionist voting for Romney.
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(http://puu.sh/1g1IY)
Guess my strong support for Obama comes from the fact I'm a serious California kid.
>I'm the equivalent of a die hard southern religionist voting for Romney.
Yeah, Cali has been liberal as fuck since Reagan got out of office.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/15/us/politics/swing-history.html (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/15/us/politics/swing-history.html)
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I hear they are both shit heads. Makes me not want to vote. I'm not even registered yet. I really should get registered. I might go with Obama since he is a lesser evil...
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I hear they are both shit heads. Makes me not want to vote. I'm not even registered yet. I really should get registered. I might go with Obama since he is a lesser evil...
I barely follow politics. This is the first year I can vote, and I'm passing on it becuase I don't personally feel like I should be making a decision. If I was going to vote though, I'd go for Obama. I just love the man as a person.
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Obama would be great as a motivational speaker.
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I barely follow politics. This is the first year I can vote, and I'm passing on it becuase I don't personally feel like I should be making a decision. If I was going to vote though, I'd go for Obama. I just love the man as a person.
First year for me too. It's out "duty" to vote though. I might vote, because if I don't then I can't bitch about it afterwards about the winner doin a bad job.
Obama would be great as a motivational speaker.
He really is. Great voice. It had me on his side when he started running the first time. That whole "Yes we can" "We are pulling out of Iraq" and other crap.
So many unfulfilled promises...
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He really is. Great voice. It had me on his side when he started running the first time. That whole "Yes we can" "We are pulling out of Iraq" and other crap.
So many unfulfilled promises...
Personally, I think he just had too much on his plate. It's not the he doesn't or isn't going to fulfill them, just that he has his priorities shifted right now. He has started pulling soldiers out and for the most part, the "war" in Iraq is over.
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Personally, I think he just had too much on his plate. It's not the he doesn't or isn't going to fulfill them, just that he has his priorities shifted right now. He has started pulling soldiers out and for the most part, the "war" in Iraq is over.
Did he really even do anything? It feels like he did more bad than good... "He has started pulling soldiers out and for the most part, the "war" in Iraq is over." All he did was place them in another country(Afghan). Shit isn't any different really.
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Did he really even do anything? It feels like he did more bad than good... "He has started pulling soldiers out and for the most part, the "war" in Iraq is over." All he did was place them in another country(Afghan). Shit isn't any different really.
Again, I'm just speaking out of my ass here since I don't follow politics, but
We were heading straight for a depression with Bush, and still were until Obama started making some economical reforms. He prevented a recession, got Bin Laden, ended the war, and started sending troops back to America.
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I don't follow politics close either but from what I've heard around in my school people argue that Obama couldn't get anything done cause the Senate shot down his propositions.
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If I could vote I would be voting for Obama.
Mitt Romney just seems like Bush but slightly more photogenic and charismatic
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I wouldn't vote for either. Obama hasn't done much in 4 years and has been blaming his problems on Bush and Romney isnt going to do shit for the country.
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I wouldn't vote for either. Obama hasn't done much in 4 years and has been blaming his problems on Bush and Romney.
Probably because most of the problems have been Bush's and the Republican's fault in general. The debt will more than likely start to go down as soon as the Bush era tax cuts aren't in effect. It'll also stop faster if Republicans in the House and Senate stop being babies and stop blocking every Democrat bill just because it was proposed by Democrats.