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Bans (Read Only) => Report => Unapproved => Topic started by: Osme on January 30, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
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1. Player's SteamID (STEAM_0:0:1234): STEAM_0:1:21481942 (im sure you could figure that one out)
2. Players Nickname: Tech
3. Your in-game name: Degtyarev
4. Server name (Wirebuild, Zombie Survival) Wirebuild
5. Description of the event(s):] Well simply put, tech disabled addons of wirebuild for essentially the reason "butthurt". In a bit more detail, I created a brick'd tank (couldnt even move, no guns attached) that was next to indestructible, to play upon techs ammo missile. After I pasted everyone was messing around trying to find ways to destroy it , enjoying the challenge as far as I saw. Tech then begins raging about this being unfair, and tells everyone he will disable ACF, which he does. I try explaining that it wasnt serious, and he completely ignores this, and continues complaining. I message him in steam about it, same result. Pretty much the end of this incident.
6. Reason for ban: As above, abuse of admin powers, promoting people without apps (though not specifically what this report is about)
7. Screenshots or demo(s) | Optional console log(s)
Im sure logs would prove ACF being disabled, but Ill post this anyways.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17652887/T1.png (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17652887/T1.png)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17652887/T2.png (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17652887/T2.png)
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Lol, those pictures don't really prove much if you other guys know what i'm saying...but i'm sure we seem why.
Well, first of all, that ACF menu doesn't prove that tech turned it off. Also, I don't see HOW he's admin abusing. The proof = obviously ain't enough.
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Lol, those pictures don't really prove much if you other guys know what i'm saying...but i'm sure we seem why.
Logs would prove it, but this... Is just for the sake of the report, not to mention teeny re-enabled it.
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Why did you say that Tech disabled it then? If teeny obviously isn't proved of disabling/reenabling it, then why are you mensioning them? Could be Anyone...with a reason, ofcourse.
Also, I'm not even that sure (even though those pics may prove that it's most likely wirebuild) if you were on zombie survival...or (unlikely) wirebuild at the time someone like Tech was abusing. All I see is that The ACF menu isn't visible, and that you and tech both are just talking about your tank equipment and whatnot - still, I'd say it was something you did that caused him to do whatever was neccessary. And I don't see too many complaints about Tech from those 'console' logs you took, either.
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Why did you say that Tech disabled it then? If teeny obviously isn't proved of disabling/reenabling it, then why are you mensioning them? Could be Anyone...with a reason, ofcourse.
Also, I'm not even that sure (even though those pics may prove that it's most likely wirebuild) if you were on zombie survival...or (unlikely) wirebuild at the time someone like Tech was abusing. All I see is that The ACF menu isn't visible, and that you and tech both are just talking about your tank equipment and whatnot - still, I'd say it was something you did that caused him to do whatever was neccessary. And I don't see too many complaints about Tech from those 'console' logs you took, either.
It was teeny who re-enabled them, and tech who disabled them, tech even said he did, and said he would.
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Well, we'll just need proof of teeny re-enabling them. And second, if tech disabled them, then we'll need to know more...from him, too. And by the way, just because you say so doesn't mean it's all true. Nothing personal, to be honest with you. It's just that first of all, you said that tech disabled them, and now you're telling us teeny reenabled them. So if tech disabled them himself, how does telling us he did even prove such a thing? Also, don't make a report about someone for admin-abusing if you don't have proof. Because I don't see tech abusing at all. Infact, to be honest, I don't even know tech as much as anyone else does on the forum, but even though people say he's abusing and whatnot, doesn't really prove:
-He's disabling the ACF menu
-Nor Abusing.
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Well, we'll just need proof of teeny re-enabling them. And second, if tech disabled them, then we'll need to know more...from him, too. And by the way, just because you say so doesn't mean it's all true. Nothing personal, to be honest with you. It's just that first of all, you said that tech disabled them, and now you're telling us teeny reenabled them. So if tech disabled them himself, how does telling us he did even prove such a thing? Also, don't make a report about someone for admin-abusing if you don't have proof. Because I don't see tech abusing at all. Infact, to be honest, I don't even know tech as much as anyone else does on the forum, but even though people say he's abusing and whatnot, doesn't really prove:
-He's disabling the ACF menu
-Nor Abusing.
Pictures prove it was, and the reasoning for it, only log can prove beyond a doubt that it was him, since its not something seen like hitting a button or throwing a bomb.
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First of all, the logs show that the acf menu is obviously NOT visible and an error showing an 'arguement' over a cl_ACF_gui.lua. That would probably have something to do with the ACF menu. But I don't see how he could've disabled it. I don't see how teeny could've re-enabled it. Infact, even if you're right, why would anyone like you for instance - ban an admin like Tech without proof of him abusing? I don't see him promoting anyone in the logs. And mabye tech did disable the acf-menu; but I bet it was because you built a damn 50-ton brick-like tank to just try and destroy every object (or everyone) in it's way. For all I know, the logs don't show you using a tank, either. But I can clearly see that tech didn't disable it. However, even if he did, he could say something about it himself on here without you saying it for him nor teeny. I'm not saying I trust them more than you nor less, but I trust you and them both fairly enough to realize proof is the only truth there is.
Quote: "tech disabled addons of wirebuild for essentially the reason "butthurt""
Well I don't see him saying so and I don't see any other addons he's disabled other than the ACF menu - if he really did disable it.
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This requires research. I would really like teeny's input on this.
And eclipse, reports on admins are allowed, but they are typically reviewed by the other admins. Not regulars. Unless you were there, you don't need to say anything other than to ask questions where you are confused.
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Alright...
How did teeny re-enable the Acf menu, but how did Tech disable it?
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Alright...
How did teeny re-enable the Acf menu, but how did Tech disable it?
They're both admins.
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I mean, how does the logs prove that either of them disabled/re-enabled it?
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I mean, how does the logs prove that either of them disabled/re-enabled it?
It doesn't. This is where the admins come in. The ones who have access to the logs, and know what to look for.
Also, deg, i see that demo. Any reason you chose not to upload it?
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It doesn't. This is where the admins come in. The ones who have access to the logs, and know what to look for.
Also, deg, i see that demo. Any reason you chose not to upload it?
Oh shit forgot about it, lol. Ill upload it in a bit.
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Degtyarev, aren't you actually gonna record a second video and upload them both aswell incase?... Half of the logs or whatever and then add the second half, aswell? Sounds like a plan.
Not to be in a pisshat angle here (in my point of view I think everyone else thinks so,) but i'm confused, how is tech admin abusing? I'm just asking questions.
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Even though admins have access to the logs, that wouldn't neccessarily explain why this guy didn't post any demo...or 'the' demo, I should say. Could include information such as before and after Degtyarev took those pictures during the logs. I mean, the admins could review that themselves, but I wasn't there...not everyone was themselves, but i'm sure that if I were (even if I'm a regular) I could've found out the truth and took pictures of these 'logs' myself. I could've even recorded a demo like Degtyarev did and posted it; but unfortunately I didn't because I obviously wasn't there - Well, even if I were, no doubt the admins will do a better job themselves, anyway. Not sure if I could've done better if I were there or not but I'm willing to due what's neccessary to find out the truth about this report - to see wether tech's guilty or not; wether i'm a regular or just some admin. Not to be rude, but I don't really care if I were even a vip - I'd still try and find out the truth myself - wether with the admins or not. So ... nothing personal, but if you want me to ask questions as a regular or a vip or whatever....
were you there when this happened too?
...What? It's not about that. Yes, everyone requires proof, but this is something which is rather hard to get proof of, hence me saying "Leave it to the admins."
I don't understand what your argument is. If you were there, you'd have gathered proof? Well, thats good, but you weren't. Nor are we going to lie to you about what happened in the report. You will find out what we decide, as will everyone else, with due time and when the investigation is done. Asking 1000 pointless questions and arguing with Deg solves nothing.
And no, I wasn't there, but notice that my first post contributed something to the report, whereas yours was just an argument?
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Sorry. I wasn't trying to start an arguement.
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Sorry. I wasn't trying to start an arguement.
Nah, no worries man. Just saying, let the admins sort this one out.
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Checked the video, sadly all it contains is the aftermath of complaining from ACF being disabled, along with 45 secods before the server restart, which was after tech told everyone the server was going to be restarted. No additional proof there. Up to coolz to go through the logs. (Yeah. Server restart just to disable ACF...)
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Wait a minute.
Didn't (in the second picture) it say something about a tech_2.dem? Isn't there a tech_1.dem video? One that is before the after-math, if you know what I mean?
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Wait a minute.
Didn't (in the second picture) it say something about a tech_2.dem? Isn't there a tech_1.dem video? One that is before the after-math, if you know what I mean?
demos autoname when you change levels. Level change = tech_2.dem
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the demo/fraps recording contain the last 1:30 minutes before the crash, in which tech was AFK.
Still waiting for someone to go check the logs...
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the demo/fraps recording contain the last 1:30 minutes before the crash, in which tech was AFK.
Still waiting for someone to go check the logs...
PM ruben or coolz.
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If he's promoting people that don't have apps, that's worth a demote in itself.
Honestly, tech is one of the reasons I don't go to wirebuild anymore. He had a short temper when I played there, was incredibly prone to minging, and when coolz promoted him while completely ignoring the fact that everyone was -1'ing him I took this as a sign that Tech had changed for the better.
Evidently not.
I'm not going to bother going into greater detail, most of you should know why I would :thumbsup: this.
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Yeah nothing's gonna happen.